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Use Windows Vista on all PC's

-550 points posted to Operating Systems, Software by fahdriyami Jan 6

Windows Vista is a next generation operating system and is known for its reliability and performance, its enhanced power saving methods take large effects on the duration and long life of mobile and desktop computers. It is being recommended constantly by game developers, pc manufacturers and desktop and pc hardware firms, making their products have a longer life cycle and giving them higher performance. Windows Vista also relies on consumer help to spot bugs and release updates everytime a new issue comes to hand.
There are many other reasons why Windows Vista is the Operating System for you.

cosh Jan 6	Ignoring the many glaring factual errors in the idea (it would make a good April Fool's joke), I guarantee that no idea of the form "Use (this) on (everything)" will ever score well because for most people computers are highly personal objects and nearly everybody wants something different.
winoffice Jan 6	Although I do like Windows Vista, I demoted because I agree with cosh on his previous comment here: "...for most people computers are highly personal objects and nearly everybody wants something different.".
rachacha Jan 6	I recently bought a new machine with XP on it...the primary reason, I have a lot of high end expensive software that is not compatible with Vista...sure I could upgrade the software, but the thought of spending $1000+ on a new machine and $1000+ on software just so that I can get Aero and a few desktop widgets just was not that appealing.
mkmaster78 Jan 7	I am a big fan of Vista, and use it at home (as well as XP Pro and Linux) but even I say let people have a choice, let them choose their OS.
fahdriyami Jan 7	Yes, i agree to have them as options, im just saying that Vista should be in those options, im sure you are all aware that Windows Vista is growing, more drivers, games and so on are constantly being made to support this OS. We all know that computers are very personal, and Windows Vista looks great with all the varieties of colors and so on, and is much simpler to use than previous Windows versions, just give Vista some time and it will improve. We all know that its a next generation OS, especially for gamers who will appreciate DX10/DX10.1 better than DX9...
winoffice Jan 7	fahdriyami: "Yes, i agree to have them as options, im just saying that Vista should be in those options," Vista is already an operating system option on all PCs. Are you saying that Vista should be the default or a standard option on all PCs as well? I think that that is already the case with both as well.
twright Jan 7	Windows Vista is by no means a next generation OS! It still doesn't have a reliable filesystem (at least they attempted with WinFS), it supports less hardware than Linux (can you run windows on an ipod, a PowerPC, or a SPARC system, Vista only supports newer hardware), it is insecure and it simply won't run on many systems and won't run at an acceptably speed on many PC's. We have given Vista too long (Microsoft said they would release it in 2003), i have tried Vista on 4 separate machines but it was dead slow even with a Duel Core processor and 2gb of RAM where as Ubuntu works great on a pentium 4 and 256mb of RAM.
winoffice Jan 7	@twright: I disagree with your comment here: "but it was dead slow even with a Duel Core processor and 2gb of RAM" Not the case with me! I loaded Vista onto a PC with only a single core processor (a Pentium M 2.13 GHz) and only 1 GB of memory, and it works fast!
thomasp94 Jan 8	This idea is the exact oposite of what dell needs to do. It's bad enough that they are forcing everyone that buys an XPS 420 into Vista. And if you take a minute to look at the XPS forums, you will see that the majority of the posts on there are people having problems with Vista, or they are asking how to install XP. Maybe in a year or so Vista will finally be at the point that it will run correctly and be as reliable as XP, but right now, (IMO) it is not a good operating system for games, or anything really. Other than to look at how pretty the memory hogging visual effects are.
cosh Jan 9	I had a dream last night I got an unwanted Vista laptop, First thing I did in my dream was turn off the visual themes and disable DirectDraw to see how plain I could make it, to make it more Windows 98-like. I actually woke up before it had finished rebooting though.
petzymathuram Jan 9	in the dream?
cosh Jan 9	yes.
mkmaster78 Jan 10	@cosh, my question is, why would want to make it more Windows 98-like. Not only is Vista quite good in its own respects, but 98 sucked
fargo Jan 10	http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/09/microsoft-reveals-windows-vista-sp1-will-i...< appears by this link that microsoft has come to the conclusion that the majority of people would rather use xp than vista and in vista sp1 ms will provide a way to downgrade to xp. I think this says it all about vista!
cosh Jan 10	@mkmaster: I was still using 98 until July 2006. With a lot of RAM, a good video card and screen, and WindowBlinds installed, it can really shine. So I guess I like it. Another possibility was that I turned off themes simply as a rebellion against new stuff in Vista generally. It was just a dream of course. @fargo: Great link! :D
winoffice Jan 10	I have not been using 98 since 2003, and have not used 2000 since 2006. I currently am using XP, 2003 and Vista. On my Vista PC, 1 GB of memory, a good video card and monitor, Vista looks and works great, so I like it.
mkmaster78 Jan 10	@fargo amusing link, not real, but amusing
winoffice Jan 10	@twright: I have to disagree with you. Windows Vista is a next generation OS. It is insecure, I agree, but then, so is every other OS (including Linux - Linux has security vulnerabilities as well). It does work at an acceptable speed on many modern PCs and works good even on some PCs made several years ago (Vista runs fast on my PC on which it is installed, and it was made two years ago), and as I noted earlier, I disagree with you here: "but it was dead slow even with a Duel Core processor and 2gb of RAM". As I noted there, I loaded Vista onto a PC with only a single core processor (a Pentium M 2.13 GHz) and only 1 GB of memory, and it works fast.
jdelidc Jan 10	it does work at an ok speed after an uninstall-fest. granted, it takes xp 3 seconds to log in on my machine and 10 seconds on vista, but still. that ain't bad. fedora takes me 7 seconds and i'm at the bare minimum for ram. having said that.... we still need competition so i disagree with this idea
tekhawk Jan 11	reliable that made me lol vista died on me in 3 days go to install software screen goes gray password prompt never showed up lol
fahdriyami Jan 12	then its something wrong with ur system/computer, or the way u installed Vista...cuz that doesnt happen normally...and Vista is very reliable in my opinion...ive been using it ever since it came out and never failed on me ever...ever...not one single time...btw the new service pack 1 is coming out soon and DX10.1...these will really improve performance...
petzymathuram Jan 12	Hi Fahdriyami, I have been handling email tech support wherein the US customers were calling support to enquire whether their device / software is compatible with Vista... and your information provided here should be a good news. All process...have a predefined email template..."Our engineers are currently working on the issue....." This was the reason I highlighted it Fahdriyami. Now what is your opinion?
fahdriyami Jan 12	I dont get what you are trying to point out petzymathuram...and i dont blame you for disagreeing with this idea...your not the first one...but it seems that Dell "Recommend Windows Vista" on both their Desktops and Notebooks. And they are the experts, not us...they know what their doing. all im trying to do is to reinforce their plan and stop them from eliminating Vista...i dont mind at all Windows XP being on the options list of every single computer, i support XP too. btw...more and more device drivers/software are being Vista compatible...as i said before, give Vista time and it will most certianly beat XP in every aspect.
jdelidc Jan 12	i just got a virus in vista. it barely moves now. and when it does, it's one frame every 3-10 seconds. it's only been installed for 2 weeks. not saying anymore because i promised i wouldn't bash vista anymore
fahdriyami Jan 12	jdelidc: lool...do you have an antivirus program? is it efficient and reliable? is it activated/subscribed? Expect a mosquito to bite you if ur in the middle of a tropical island without mosquito repellent...lool...im not really good with examples...
petzymathuram Jan 12	I've heard the queries from process like WebEx (now a part of CISCO), Ketera, Airlink, Simple Star (now a part of Nero), Vonage, Real Networks, ...and many more... Customers enquire..if the above mentioned ( software /devices) have become vista compatible... Our techs go ahead to reply "our engineers are currently working with the issue...& ...becoz the different process / brand engineers have been trying & trying to make their process compatible with Vista. The support goes ahead to reply and convince the customers stating the above said. It is a discomfort for all the business isnt it fahdriyami? doesnt it fahdriyami?
fahdriyami Jan 13	Wow petzymathuram...discomforting and embarrasing for the companies you mentioned there...im surprised all these famous companies are continuing to fail to make Windows Vista compatible software/device drivers while other smaller companies like Azureus, Fraps, Limewire and many others are succsessfully creating Windows Vista Compatible software...Real Player have made Real Player 11 that is Vista Compatible and some of the other you mentioned like Nero. ATI also started to make Vista Drivers for their Mobility Radeon Series...you can go ahead and mention all the companies that have failed to make their software work with Vista and i can start meantioning all the successfull ones...those companies need to keep up with things...its their loss since people want Vista drivers that they cannot provide...btw...those companies will release Vista editions too...and of course they will continue trying untill they are succesfull otherwise they will not reply that their engineers are working on the issue...they wont stick with the same versions forever...as i said twice before..."GIVE VISTA TIME"...this argument is going to take us nowhere...and can i ask you a question? You handle email tech support for which company?
jdelidc Jan 13	fahdriyami: i do have a mcafee subscription that expires next january but i got too comfy with not needing one in linux so i ddint' think of installing it but i do agree with you on the drivers. they've had a year to make them. they need to hurry up, especially with vista gradually taking the place of xp.
petzymathuram Jan 13	wow fahdriyami, thats really a great news to me....if all business becomes compatible with Windows Vista then fine.... Quoting your statement...."can i ask you a question? You handle email tech support for which company? " My Answer: Me not knowing who you are and have not asked you who you are...better leave me without any questions ok..Hope you understand... Here's a saying ..."Time & Tide wait for none"...why cant just vista get enhanced in their efficiency rather than making the whole world stop for them?...Until Vista gets stabilized with all the "n" number of business available...dont disturb the other business...as simple as that.
jdelidc Jan 13	my biggest thing still on vista is the resources. with fedora 8 i can render a video, listen to music with kaffiene, and have 3 youtube videos going with the same amount of ram & processor time it takes to watch 1 youtube video in vista. with no virus scanner running or anything. that's basically it at this point since AAC can be turned off.
fahdriyami Jan 13	petzymathuram: i understand about ur identity...but why are you telling me about making Vista more efficient...i didnt create the OS...im just a supporter trying to give Vista some respect if you know what i mean...and i wish Microsoft worked on this OS more before releasing it...but in my opinion...Vista is Reliable and Efficient. Look what happened to Apple Leaopard when they rushed to release it due to the Vista release...Leopard was found with a bug/virus in the stock OS...imagine how embarrassing that is for Apple, known for their Virus-free computers... Vista is full of bugs but they depend on the user to find them for the company so they could release updates...im sure and Mac OS is not 100% bug free. So Microsoft wont be releasing a low efficiency OS. Vista is great.
jdelidc Jan 13	linux ain't 100% error free either. wish it was but it ain't
fahdriyami Jan 13	jdelidc: hope you manage with that Vista virus...is it still in its slow frame state?
petzymathuram Jan 13	oh fine fahdriyami...go ahead...with your support..Iam here only for Dell and not to check out what made apple embarrassing....Of course I have to keep my eyes & ears open to know what happens around in the business...I mean the competitors. It doesnt mean that I have to analyze if it was emabarssing or not emabarssing for apple...juz quoting your statement..."imagine how embarrassing that is for Apple, known for their Virus-free computers"...
fahdriyami Jan 13	Well petzymathuram: if your really here about Dell, you shouldnt have asked about Vista not supporting software/Drivers in the first place...and Vista about stabalization and efficiency...concentrate on the "idea" next time...not technical difficulties and tech support.
fahdriyami Jan 13	petzymathuram: you buy a Dell..it has Vista on it...all the software/Drivers on that Dell support Vista...simple...so whats is the problem?
petzymathuram Jan 13	Y should I not fahdriyami?...remember..Dell is a major customer of Microsoft.... what if a customer buys a Dell system with Vista and he gets stuck with compatibility issues... well ideastorm is a place that we can learn from each other...and not a place to advise others which question to ask or which question not to ask....& I am concentrating on the idea....i beleive
fahdriyami Jan 13	Well ok then...you asked and i replied...and i got out of the question a little just to prove a point...and suddenly you make a huge deal out of it...fine...ok...im sorry...your right...can we please let this go?
petzymathuram Jan 13	fine we will let this go...but there's nothing to ask for sorry. but my point is Say for eg. A customer who buys/owns a Dell Vista system ok The customer plans / ready to buy a software or a device... what if the software or a device that he is about to buy /have purchased "is not yet compatible" with Vista? Is this not a discomfort to the customer? @ fahdriyami....I'm not here to mark myself right or wrong...we have to learn ..and we have to think about all the possibilities around isnt it?...if you know the answer confidently educate me as well...
jdelidc Jan 13	"what if the software or a device that he is about to buy /have purchased "is not yet compatible" with Vista" that would suck. and i'd be returning it to walmart or wherever else i got it. so if these companies want to stay in business, they need to start writing stuff for vista. it may be the worst version of windows yet, but it's still windows and ran on more home pc's than linux
fahdriyami Jan 14	petzymathuram: before a cusomer buys a product he should check for the System Requirenments and if it is compatible with Vista. for eg. you dont go and buy a PCI-E card when you plan to use it on an AGP computer. So the customer should check before buying...its his fault if he doesnt check.
jdelidc Jan 14	the only problem is that not everyone is smart enough with computers to know to do that
fahdriyami Jan 14	Well then that is another issue about Education...i understand but Microsoft cant do anything about that...the consumers should at least ask...you know. You cant fit a PCI-E card on an AGP slot...the buyer in this case should return/exchange the product...if it is unreturnable then the customer should have been prepared to take the risk of being unsure and not asking before buying...its a thing with pc...if it doesnt work/fit, then it doesnt work/fit. Im just presuming what the buyer should do incase this compatibility issue gets in his way...i dunno what else to say...
petzymathuram Jan 14	ok fine fahdriyami....the customer needs to check the compatibility before he buys a software or a device...agreed to this point but what if the business software / device sectors get irated becoz this vista draws away majority of their customer just becoz their customers own a Dell vista system? will the other business groups still maintain cordial relationship with Dell and regard them? the answer will be a no...becoz of Vista isnt it? Kindly consder these points on behalf of Dell plz...
winoffice Jan 14	I agree with fahdriyami. Is it so hard to record the manufacturer and model number of the hardware and visit the Hardware Compatibility List (HCL) on the Microsoft Web site to check for compatibility?
ct26torr Jan 14	[quote]Windows Vista also relies on consumer help to spot bugs and release updates everytime a new issue comes to hand. [/quote] If I am paying for this garbage software Micro$oft sells then why I should I be treated as a beta tester? it is their job to test the quality of the software they are writing. As far as Vi$ta goes ..... it's biggest piece of crap Redmond has released yet. and hopefully it will be their downfall.
winoffice Jan 14	@ct26torr - I disagree with you. Microsoft does NOT sell garbage software, and Vista is NOT crap.
petzymathuram Jan 14	You mean no bugs for Microsoft?...Oh what a joke...the greater the number of bugs...there are "n" number of Projects and engineers working on those bugs...just with an effort to trace and rectify them I believe....
jdelidc Jan 14	"it is their job to test the quality of the software they are writing" -- even with beta testing, getting complaints to ms to tell them to fix stuff is crazy complicated. i still don't know if i'm emailing the right people
fahdriyami Jan 15	jdelidc: bugs and errors are reported automatically in windows Vista, Vista sends a specific code to Microsoft which identifies the error/bug that has occured and makes a list of them, and when you are connected to the internet the list is sent to Microsoft...
jdelidc Jan 15	mine never did. but could be because i just restarted before it had a chance to tell me that. one of those impatient things that linux taught me.
fahdriyami Jan 15	i think sometimes it does it without user knowlegde...i think
jdelidc Jan 15	now that you mention it, there were times my modem was blinking for no reason and the machine wasn't responding
fahdriyami Jan 15	that could be the reason but i dont think Vista sending an error report causes the system to stop responding...i dunno...it never happened with me...but that could be why...
cosh Jan 15	I love how unpopular this idea is. Awesome.
winoffice Jan 15	cosh: You love how unpopular this idea is because you demoted. Actually I demoted too, and I appear in the "recently demoted by" list immediately above your name.
fahdriyami Jan 16	cosh, winoffice, nice to hear that...lool
jdelidc Jan 16	i'm happy :-) the beta for sp 1 actually does make my machine run faster. longer startup and it took an hhour & 15 minutes to install but still, its faster once it gets going. and using less ram and less processor
fahdriyami Jan 16	ive installed it too...im just waiting for the full version with DX10.1, then i can really get it going with flight simulator X!!
fahdriyami Jan 19	i hope vista improves in performance and other aspects that have made it this hatefull operating system to some people, i really think security issues are the ones that matter most to Microsoft since Service Packs are mostly about security. it will never be open source like Linux but i think it can be just as reliable and secure.
jdelidc Jan 19	it could. if the AAC was like it is in linux, it woudn't be too annoying. that and the resources and the price are what drive me nuts about it. AAC can be turned off, price really doesn't matter when it's OEM installed, comes out about the same as XP did, SP1 actually does help with resources, not much but some. but they got a lot of catching up to linux left
cosh Jan 19	What is AAC?
jdelidc Jan 19	acount access controls. in a nutshell, "confirm. confirm again. confirm again. confirm again"
fahdriyami Jan 20	But you can turn it off as you said, u can?! that'll be cool, but i guess if you do do that then your security will go down and you will have more risk of viruses. SP1 RC1 for some reason slows down my log in time, but it makes a noticable difference in performance speeds, even my frames per second in flight simulator x increased to an average of 40fps from 34fps. That made me really happy, i hope the full version of SP1 does even more...which im sure it will.
jdelidc Jan 20	yep. takes 3 minutes longer to initial load but then works ok. you do know how to kill AAC, right? if not, someone else on the forum wanted to know also. http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=si_newusers...< still moving away from windows though. it's hard to beat a 45 second boot time, including bios
lionbeast Jan 20	vista on all pc??? do you want dell to improve or not? no os that's the future. let customer choose what os they want. if they want vista...they can buy it on there own....
winoffice Jan 20	I disagree, lionbeast. Why should customers have to buy Vista by themselves? Why should they not be able to get it together with their PC? And I have no idea what you mean by "no os that's the future" - customers will need an OS in any case. But I do think that people should have the option of no OS, as long as they still have the option of getting Vista with their PC.
fahdriyami Jan 21	lionbeast: not all people know how to install OS in their own and it is much easier to just buy a pc with an OS already built in. and very true winoffice...
winoffice Jan 21	Oh yes and then there also is the issue mentioned by fahdriyami there (that not everyone knows how to install an OS by themselves, so they need it preinstalled on their PC). Also, Vista costs more when it is by itself than when it is preinstalled. Vista Ultimate is $399 when bought full retail and by itself, but is $199 when preinstalled on a PC. Why force people to pay more than they used to pay for the same product?
jdelidc Jan 21	agreed but don't sell ONLY vista. and don't force me to buy an OS, this ain't china (i'm close to it but i'm not IN china)
fahdriyami Jan 21	lool jdelidc: of course people dont only want vista, everyone wants options....
jdelidc Jan 21	it just took me 40 minutes to burn a 200 mb cd-rw. the second chance that i was giving vista is now over and i'm about to wipe it out
fahdriyami Jan 22	haha, jdelidc: i just burned an ISO Image File of FSX Acceleration (2.8GB) at 8x Burn speed and it took me 5 min, and im using Vista, i feel sorry for your computer...
jdelidc Jan 22	i think it was a bug in sp1... or something..... i don't know. or maybe the CD has been burned too many times. it usually takes linux 2-3 minutes to burn that much. then again i heard line interference coming over my computer's speakers earlier today. could be all 4 combined. either way, linux has had only 1 problem today (compiz-fusion crashed once, about an hour ago) so it's my releif for the day. (it's 1011pm over here)
winoffice Jan 23	jdelidc: I do not know how you had a 40 minute CD burn. When I write files to CDs on my Vista PC, it usually takes less than a minute, just as with XP.
fahdriyami Jan 23	Exactly winoffice, i was surprised too, but it could be because of the issues jdelidc mentioned, they are possible, but jdelidc, you shouldnt blame Vista on these kind of things, Vista is not THAT hopeless...
jdelidc Jan 24	edit: @winoffice: i'm trying not to bash vista since i promised not to. i can honestly say that this time around (thanks to SP1 RC) it wasn't quite as bad. but at the same time, i'm not giving it another chance
fahdriyami Jan 24	Well, thats ur personal opinion jdelidc...
fahdriyami Feb 4	OK, guys because of all the fuss going on about Ubuntu, i decided to try it on my Optiplex 260 and on my Inspiron 6400. I really enjoyed it on the Optiplex, its was soo fast on it and i like the OpenOffice app with is compatible with MS Office and i loved Pigin Messenger and its great for home use, and i think im not gonna change to windows on that PC. However on the Inspiron, OMG!!!, it was the worst experience EVER!!!,1) i had this continuos problem with my wireless (Intel PRO/Wireless), it was soo annoying doing all this coding!!, and it didnt work still!!! (websites kept on saying : this might not work for everybody) i mean is all the Ubuntu 7.10 the same one or what, and i could install NOTHING with a simple double click, everything had to go through coding, thats annoying too, but, still, it wasnt THAT bad... so i kept the Ubuntu only on the Desktop but changed my laptop back to Windows Vista....but i still dont get why Ubuntu is either Free or you can buy it, wont everyone go with the free version or is there a difference? i know probably not everyone experienced the same problems that i did so dont eat me...

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