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DELL Petition the USA Government to Seize Windows XP Pro under Eminent Domain - and provide it as a free download

120 points posted to Dell by reg 06/25/07 **NOT LIKELY**

Eminent Domain - the right of a government or its agent to expropriate private property for public use, with payment of compensation.

All abandoned software - Like Windows 95, Windows 98, and Soon Windows XP - should default back to the government and be reverted as a public property.

Since the manufacturer has refused to accept the responsibility of maintaining it's own creation - then under Eminent Domain, previous unsupported copies of windows become public property, for the good and benefit of all of society.

Eminent Domain is used to take land, buildings, streets, farms, etc. - in order to build bridges, roads, pipelines, and train tracks. The recent U.S. Supreme Court decision rendered the Government as the Supreme Power over all of property,
and in fact can take your private home from you, in fact whole city blocks of private homes, and give them over to Walmart to build a super shopping center. Because Walmart will do more business than a collection of private homes, so Walmart has more right to take what you have, than your right to keep your own home.

The same rules apply to software - ok microsoft, millions of people depend on your old programs, but you cut them off from support, expecting them to spend billions of dollars on upgrades, just so they can continue doing what they are already doing.

Fine, under Eminent Domain, the government takes the old copies of windows, and gives them freely to all the USA citizens.
Set up some server to provide free download Install CDs.

It is time the Government stop being pushed around by one little corporation, and if Microsoft gives them trouble,
then the Federal Government can take the Microsoft Headquarters, and use it for the next illegal immigrant tracking and processing center.

winoffice
06/25/07
Free? Taking the Microsoft headquarters? What is this reg, you anti-Microsoft annoying person?
reg
06/25/07
Not Anti Microsoft at all - The Original Maker of Windows XP Pro abandons it's responsibilities to support it's own customers,
so under Eminent Domain, the USA takes Windows XP Home and Windows XP Pro source code and downloadable install CDs, and publishes it for all US citizens to use freely - just like when they take homes to build shopping centers.
reg
06/25/07
When irresponsible corporations abandon their software - it belongs to the people - all related copyrights should be made null and void.

Software the USA government should Take from Microsoft:

DOS 3,4,5 ...
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows NT 4
Windows 2000
Windows XP Home
Windows XP Pro

All the programs Microsoft gave up on:
BOB
Office 95, Office 97, etc
Clippy

The Same Eminent Domain laws should be applied to ANY software company
that abandons it's responsibility to support its own product,
not just Microsoft.
jmxz
06/25/07
I'm not quite sure why anyone would want it - except perhaps for CS students as a case-study of how not to write secure software - but that's enough of a reason that I'll vote it up.
bennish
06/25/07
i actually agree with you reg.

amazing.

badblood... you don't seem to understand the judicial system. sue someone for annoying you? or is that how it is in the states now? (prepares a subpoena for several ideastorm users...)
badblood
06/25/07
Mr. Mature congratulations for 'actually' agreeing with reg-the-magnificent
bennish
06/25/07
this place is getting ridiculous
reg
06/26/07
bennish - that's called a SLAP - something to do with suing people just to waste their money and time...
reg
06/26/07
About a year or two ago a bunch of home owners were forced out of their homes so a developer could put new buildings in their spot.

It went to the Supreme Court - who said 'forget citizens - it's all about the Benjamin's'
- since they ruled that individual persons have no rights to private property,
corporations are also considered 'persons' - so they have no right whatsoever
to keep old closed source software.

If Microsoft resists, seize their assets, freeze and take their bank accounts, and take all their buildings and
use them for the government.

bennish
06/26/07
right. getting out of the area of dell's power here...

anyway back to the original idea. i like it. microsoft already has discounted windows 2000 for education, or maybe it was developing countries. but why not free? i mean when something is a certain age... it should just be public domain.

not 98 or 95 tho. people want them about as much as mac os9 or... like... a slap in the face.

stick with 2000 up
chewd
06/26/07
Youre thinking of PUBLIC domain reg..... Disney had it abolished so they could keep using mickey mouse on all their stationery.

But it -was- a good idea, maybe after the revolution we can bring it back.
winoffice
06/26/07
reg, if you are not anti-Microsoft, then why do you want the US government to cpture the Microsoft headquarters and use it for illegal immigrants?
winoffice
06/26/07
reg, I would never have heard of Eminent Domain had you not come onto IdeaStorm and advertised it.
phubert
06/26/07
Why not just have the Feds rule that Microsoft must:

(a) FULLY support all non-licensed, OPEN standards.
(b) PORT <u>all</u> their applications and servers (SQL Server, SPS, CRM, CMS, et al) to Linux.
reg
06/26/07
Oh, not Public Domain - Nationalization.

In south America - they got sick of oil companies taking all the profits and leaving people in poverty,
so they nationalize the oil wells and refineries - no longer the property of foreigners - they belong to the people.

Same goes for valuable intellectual property,
abandoned by Microsoft, bent on profiteering,
the Government seize Microsoft assets and give them to the nation.

Windows XP Pro and Windows 2000 are far too valuable to be dumped by Microsoft --
taken by the government and forced into nationalized open source,
the code can be developed and improved by more talented and responsible citizens of the USA.
badblood
06/26/07
During wars governments often take over important private companies and properties. This is not an exception. Microsoft and the government should accept that this idea is in the public interest...
reg
06/26/07
For Homeland Security, and for the children, Microsoft must be turned over to the federal government and nationalized.

All shares rendered null and void, and property taken control of by federal marshals.

Hell, if Paris Hilton can do time, how about a whole International Corporation?

We are from the government, and we are here to help you!
bennish
06/26/07
We must stop Microsoft eating babies!
reg
06/26/07
Yes, I too do not agree to the whole 'devouring of first born children' part of the EULA...
phubert
06/27/07
Well, ONE thing we know: if the Feds take it over, it will wither and DIE. The Feds can't run ANYTHING.

We have ENOUGH trouble here in Sacramento county with ridiculous city and county regulations that make it nearly impossible for the small businessperson to DO business.

Government is as much an enemy of freedom as are the multinationals... and more often than not, I suspect, is merely their lackey.

And, we've already seen that revolutions (at least the violent ones) do not and can not work.
jmxz
06/27/07
phubert:

Fascinating tangent; and this thread is rather apt for bringing up the government tangent. I've done some business with government in Sac county (though a branch of the state government rather than the county) a year or two back. Interesting place. Was rather surprised to see Win95 in 2005.
reg
06/27/07
Think how much Tax Money would be saved once the USA takes over microsoft, nationalizes the company, and puts all the older copies of DOS, Window 95/98/NT/2000/XP into the public domain.

The Time is NOW for Eminent Domain Seizure of Intellectual Property - for the good of the nation, to protect national security.
phubert
06/28/07
Well, reg, you MIGHT have a point about national security... then again... an Abrams tank in every home!!! ....oh well....
winoffice
06/28/07
phubert, what do you mean by "porting" an application to Linux?
badblood
06/28/07
reg what happened to all your apple ideas, I found this funny video?

bennish
06/28/07
ah, erik... erik sucks man...
reg
06/28/07
Free iPhones for ALL full time Apple employees - WOW!

500 x BIGNUMBER = Massive FREEBIE
dell_admin1
08/02/07
Changed status to **NOT LIKELY**.
phubert
08/02/07
do we detect a wry sense of humor here, @dell_admin1????? My promo for this one was intended as such...
premcv
08/02/07
hehehe, phubert! After all, she's human! :)
petzymathuram
08/03/07
Oh finally reg on the side of Dell?...Hmmmm not bad.....;)
I stand with you, Dell can acquire Microsoft as well. It was told on BBC that Bill Gates will be retiring from his position sometime next year and it will be divided into two divisions...so why should Dell not acquire it?
;). All power only for Dell. I am sooo happy.....;)
premcv
08/03/07
Petzy, dell has not been in the software business, AFAIK, they are into hardware and services. So, with that in mind,I don't think Dell could be in the market of M&A to acquire any software business group from MS or any other company. But then, I could be proven wrong!
phubert
08/03/07
...I still like the UNISYS idea... (mine)
premcv
08/03/07
I remember quite well, phubert!
winoffice
08/03/07
dell_admin1 said: "Changed Status to **NOT LIKELY**." Hooray!
petzymathuram
08/04/07
Hi Prem,

Are you and Jervis into marketing?. You speak clearly defending marketing.strategies on behalf of Dell................;)
winoffice
08/07/07
"Seizing under Eminent Domain" is just another way of saying "STEALING".
winoffice
08/07/07
You are just posting this idea to support your cause that Vista's cost is too high. I am against your "boycott Vista" idea, so I am against this one too!
phubert
08/07/07
Why would anyone WANT to seize anything MS has under eminent domain???

I thought this was just a rant?

..or nonsense venting of frustration.
premcv
08/07/07
Or both?
jmxz
08/07/07
@phubert:

I thought the one interesting part of @reg's idea was not Microsoft specific
All abandoned software - Like [examples] - should default back to the government and be reverted as a public property.


Currently there are laws regarding abandonment of some intellectual property (trademarks) but what happens with software depends a lot on who ends up with the copyrights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware . That makes people dependent on old versions of software screwed. I think an example's Windows NT - still apparently in use at Nasdaq who use(d?) the MIPS version of NT that runs on their Tandem MIPS machines which just got a massive upgrade to MIPS s88000 processors in 2005: http://news.com.com/Nasdaq+upgrades+HP-based+trading+system/2110-1010_3-56289...< they need support on NT - with reg's proposal they could hire anyone to do it. In today's world, they're at the mercy of Microsoft.
phubert
08/07/07
Yes, abandoned software... but of course much of it is obsolete... as in for obsolete systems (might run on something in the Smithsonian)
jmxz
08/07/07
@phubert:
From what I saw of government stuff in Sacramento (at a state agency, tho), obsolete and abandoned doesn't necessarily mean "no longer in use".
phubert
08/08/07
:-) Now THAT is an interesting comment. Our site 'surveys out' equipment on a regular basis. It then goes to the Dept. of General Services which will auction it off. Perhaps not the VERY best method...

Which state agency, by the way? When? Were you a state employee? Contractor?
jmxz
08/08/07
CHP, and contractor.
phubert
08/08/07
mmm... small agency... Did you, perhaps, run into Scott Taylor at the time? If so, he works here now as a programmer... good systems guy, though... often the best employees get ignored (my opinion)

Oh, what sort of equipment, OS at the time??? (CHP)
petzymathuram
08/08/07
hmmmm...so Ideastorm has brought 2 gether all the well wishers for Dell. Hope Dell allows everybody to rejoin...;)
jmxz
08/08/07
phubert:
If I recall, it involved Win95's, I believe past the end-of-life of Win95. I think they did a migration straight from Win95 to XP (did they skip NT and Win98?) and some old apps didn't work with XP yet. Wasn't close enough to the project to know if we worked with Scott.
phubert
08/08/07
We did the same thing here... but didn't have to worry that much about app compatibility (I don't think... I don't do desktops)
 
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