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Ubuntu on 12.1 or 13.3 inch laptops

10200 points posted to Linux, Laptops by miceagol 05/31/07 **PARTIALLY IMPLEMENTED**

Preload Ubuntu on your 12.1 (XPS M1210) or 13.3 inch (XPS M1330) laptops. As it is now, there's only one choice for a laptop, and that choice is not a light laptop. The 12.1 inch and 13.3 inch laptops are much better to carry around than heavy 15 inch++ laptops.




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rjericho
05/31/07		 I would suspect that anyone who wants this on their laptop would be fully capable of installing it themselves.
benjesuit
05/31/07		 The Linux crowd would want Ubuntu on the XPS line.

What a waste.
miceagol
05/31/07		 rjericho wrote:
> I would suspect that anyone who wants this on their laptop would be fully capable of installing it themselves.

I would suspect that anyone who wants _Windows_ on their laptop would be fully capable of installing it themselves. As you can see, there's not much sense in your statement.
miceagol
05/31/07		 benjesuit wrote:
> The Linux crowd would want Ubuntu on the XPS line.
>
> What a waste.

Maybe you should find some arguments at the same time. Why is it such a waste with Ubuntu on the XPS line?
benjesuit
05/31/07		 Find some arguments? LOL.

It's a waste because the XPS line is tailored for gaming. Games that run on XP and Vista. I don't know if you looked in any gaming mags lately, but you don't see "Linux" listed as the OS they're made for.

Now sure, you could run some of them in a Windows virtualized environment on Linux. But you'll take such a performance hit, why bother? And some simply won't run in that kind of environment at all. Remember, those shelling out the $500+ premium for the XPS, with all if its associated bling and bragging rights, are doing so to get the best performance out of their games.

Oh and your rebuttle to rjericho is incompatible. Linux is free. Windows is not. So anyone can install Linux - with or without help - because there's no barrier to access. But not everyone can install Windows because the barrier to access for some is cost.

As the starkist Tuna used to say, "sorry Charlie."
jonj
05/31/07		 "It's a waste because the XPS line is tailored for gaming."

12" for Gaming? What gamer in their right mind would do that? Oh, and there are other uses for a beefy graphics card other than games, this laptop would suit me wonderfully, 12" and lightweight is something I've been looking for, but I do not want the Windows-tax. So there, I'm a customer that Dell has never had before, and I would now consider buying not only the laptop, but equipment and more computers from Dell.
This is not a "waste".
benjesuit
05/31/07		 *Sigh*. No the larger models. Hence "XPS line." See 2nd post. Obviously wasn't refering to the 12" which doesn't meet game specs. I almost want to say, "duh!?"

:)~

Oh yeah and the other thing... "Windows-tax?" LOL. Grow up. Sure, but you don't mind paying the Dell Tax. Or the XPS tax. Etc. Etc. Ridiculous. Why not buy refurb then? It avoids the "tax" inherently built into a new unit. You seem savvy enough to install Linux on a refurb.

Oh wait, it's political. Nevermind. My bad.
miceagol
06/01/07		 benjesuit wrote:
> It's a waste because the XPS line is tailored for gaming. Games that run on XP and Vista. I don't know if you looked in
> any gaming mags lately, but you don't see "Linux" listed as the OS they're made for.

Of course there are graphics hungry games for Linux. Take "Enemy Territory: Quake Wars" (http://www.enemyterritory.com/) from id Software for instance. And the XPS includes more than just a high-end graphics card. You get a bigger hard drive, faster CPU, etc. Anyway, this "idea" is not about the XPS at all, it's about 12 inch laptops in general. There's also another 12 inch variant in the Latitude series, but I don't see it on the US Dell site anymore, only on the Norwegian site (http://12inch.notlong.com) is in his full right to say "Windows-tax". When did you ever see a PC in the store without Windows, except for now that it's possible to buy preinstalled Ubuntu. :)
benjesuit
06/01/07		 Uh huh. When did you see a Mac in a store w/o OSX? So do we run around like morons and cry "OSX tax?" Or back in the day when Amiga was being sold with AmigaOS. Did we run around like morons and cry over AmigaOS? The list is long. But do you think the OS was not factored into the cost of these PC which included their own proprietary OS's?

Like I said, grow up. It's silly Linux fan rhetoric. I mean, why stop there with that ridiculous rhetoric? What about Intel tax? Or Samsung tax? Or the Nvidia tax? Or the other component manufacturers whose components dominate the PC industry and of which you have little if any choice over?

And on Quakewars... not sold on shelves for Linux. And that's the point. Walk into any EBgames, BestBuy, Gamestop, etc., You're not going to find Linux games. And the ones online that you can get, gee what a limited selection. No serious gamer would even consider such a fringe desktop operating system for gaming. Just like they wouldn't consider a Mac for gaming. Hey, I think I'd like the buy Company of Heroes or even Tiberian Wars. Or Halo 2. Hot games. But oops, silly me not wanting to pay the "microsoft tax" can't.

Ubuntu Linux on the top of the line XPS's is like Paris Hilton in Yale. What. A. Waste.

Hey don't be upset with me. Dell won't offer it knowing the demographic of who buys these premium systems. After all, they pitch the XPS1710 as a gaming rig and the XPS2010 as the showstopper for multimedia and gaming.

There's a reason why Dell only expects to sell 20,000 units per annum of Linux based PCs. That number is a mere fraction of the PC's the sell annually. And I don't expect Dell to expand their offering choice either. All things considered.
miceagol
06/01/07		 It's still Windows tax regardless of what you say, because you haven't got _any_ alternative when you purchase a prebuilt PC. When you buy a Dell you can choose if you want Intel, ATI or nVidia. Do you see a choice when you select the OS? Yes, there's Windows Vista Home Basic and Windows Vista Home Premium. What a selection. Mac OS X is another story, because you can only buy that on Apple's self-configured hardware.

It doesn't matter if there are 2 million games or 1 game for Linux. There are games for Linux, and that makes the XPS a viable alternative. And put games aside, as I said earlier, the XPS is a more powerful system overall.
pell
06/01/07		 Promote it and have in mind 14.1" laptops too:)
benjesuit
06/01/07		 LOL. I give up. There's no arguing with Linux zealots. It's like arguing with the religious nutters.

And no, there is no choice on many systems for AMD, or Nvidia. Take the XPS for instance. No Nvidia on XPS2010. No AMD on any XPS either.

So I expect with that fact that you'll start to cry, "waa, Intel Tax."
octathlon
06/01/07		 Why does it bother some people that we want to buy systems with Linux preinstalled instead of Windows? Lighten up, this doesn't have to be a war! It wouldn't hurt you in any way or take away your choice to get Windows. Yes, I could install Linux myself but I prefer to get it preinstalled so I know all the hardware is guaranteed to work. I already have a 15.4" laptop and if I buy a new one, this time I want a smaller one that's easier to lug around, so even though the E1505N looks like a good deal, I'm waiting and hoping for more models to be offered with Linux soon!
benjesuit
06/02/07		 It's the Linux crowd's lack of realistic thinking, anti-MS politics, and dogmatic rhetoric.

Aside from that, I'm actually pleased that DELL went with Ubuntu as oppossed to the other distros. I personally prefer Ubuntu to the rest and use it on one of my systems at home. For some things, Linux is superior. For others, it inferior. And that's a realistic assessment. Something you rarely hear from the Linux set.
reg
06/05/07		 Why Get that Fat, Heavy Dinosaur of a Machine when you can get THIS?
miceagol
06/07/07		 reg wrote:
> Why Get that Fat, Heavy Dinosaur of a Machine when you can get THIS?

Nice, but do you get it with Ubuntu...? :p
reg
06/07/07		 I would like a FlipStart with Ubuntu please.
pistsplitz
06/08/07		 Well were do we start? I am having a hard time seeing the difficulty with the MS=Tax. If I have purchased 3 machines for the house with Windows XP license for each machine and the Mobo fails why in the hell would I have to pay an extra 50-80 dollars on a new laptop for to run MS_XP again ....isnt that tax? I already have a CD with a license why pay again ....every fricken production machine leaving a store has to pay MS or Apple. Say I am a programmer and and want a strong runner but use Linux why purchase a Windows license if I use linux ....oh I see I need to pay MS to reformat and use my Linux disc that was free. Its like purchasing a Ford with every model Eddie Bower and everyone has to pay an Eddie Bower tax even though you plan on using custom seats....Its goofier then a Football bat ..What is the diffiulty here? It has nothing to do with a nVidia tax or ATI ..why click on customize my new Dell link ....just to get a (Hitachi)only HDD when I got a Western Digital 160 HDD at home. Hell if I have a ligit MS-XP disc at home why Pay again for a License I dont need .....When I can have a Dual Boot set-up for $80.00 less. This entire thing of running Linux user's down and Dell for trying to give us an option to give you a actual PC that you are looking for is a joke. Why the hell is every PC being Purchased with Windows when maybe you dont want it or dont need it? I would classify this as a TAX! and further more the whole point of this diver push is so we do start getting game developers to start supporting Linux drivers and games ....WTF is confusing about this window lovers .....cant we use both OS's and maybe just pay for the Windows license once per life of the HARDWARE?????... God made all kinds of people I swear . Argue with people trying to have a supportive group movement cause they dont want to purchase unwanted software ....hhhhmmm pretty goofy
benjesuit
06/09/07		 What are they teaching in schools these days? I just don't know.

Look up the word tax in an accredited dictionary. If you still think it's a tax, well, then that means there's more preliminary ground to cover concerning basic economics. The illicit use of the word "tax" is just Linux community rhetoric run amok.
winoffice
06/09/07		 What does Ubuntu have to do with making laptops have lighter weight?
reg
06/09/07		 yes, make this.
simon80
06/16/07		 I've been wanting Dell to offer smaller laptops that don't come with Windows on them since the three Ubuntu machines were announced. I, for one, will not even consider buying anything from the current Ubuntu offering. Show me an XPS 1210 or m1330 with Ubuntu on it and then we'll talk.
chrisr
06/17/07		 I am also waiting to see a 12 or 13 inch notebook with Ubuntu, that will be my trigger to upgrade.

I'm surprised at one poster's vitriolic attack on this thread - I'd like some explanation how a lack of choice is in our interest?
benjesuit
06/17/07		 Sure, I'll explain it. It's really simple. In business, you get choice when choice is warranted. Meaning, if there's real demand for something, supply will be there to meet it. Niche plays, such as Linux on a premium gaming machine, rarely are profitable unless the margin is substantial. Dell knows this. That's why they only have a fixed limited quantity of Linux boxes available. 20k units per year. Why did they pick this number? Because they're built in the risk, assessed the likely demand, and calculated the likely stale inventory costs.

All of which tells you two things:

1. They expect that Linux unit demand is practically nil as compared to M$FT demand which numbers in the 10s of millions. But they had to placate the community which predominates this board.

2. The likelihood of them expanding their LINUX offering is particularly low given the risk in doing so. To do it, they have to divert resources from what sells (MSFT based units) to what is not likely to sell (LINUX units.)

Financially speaking, they could offer it on the XPS line to satiate the community (if this idea reached over 10k votes), but they'd have to sell the units for more than the MSFT units to compensate for the "dead" inventory (carrying cost) of Linux on XPS units which sell slowly. But that won't go over too well as witnessed by the outcry over the Inspiron with Linux costing more than an equivalent MSFT based one.

Anyway, I think it's funny that some would want Ubuntu on a gaming rig. And I wasn't talking about the soon to be obsolete 12" XPS either. And the inane MSFT "tax" nonsense that requires obtuse semantics to justify.
chrisr
06/18/07		 What is your source for the 20k figure?

If they expect demand to be practically nil then why support Linux at all? The only people Dell have to placate are their shareholders.

Companies which plan to stay in business have to identify emerging trends and Linux clearly fits the bill. The only risk I see is in *not* getting a foothold into this new market.

I think Dell are quite capable of producing the required number of machines, when they are needed, without having to carry too much 'dead inventory'. They seem to manage fine with all the possible hardware and software configurations already on offer.

None of your comments have addressed my question - I'm interested in what's best for me, not what's best for Dell and in any case, I find the comments on Dell's interests to be unconvincing.
benjesuit
06/18/07		 Source of the 20k? Dell. Look it up on their blog. Or google "Dell expects to sell 20,000 ubuntu linux per year." The net is rife with the fact of Dell's projected Ubuntu sales.

Here's a fun read if you're interested: http://www.devside.net/blog/category/dell/< chose to carry Linux because imagine after having set up this website with >10k participants asking for it, they didn't deliver it? They have to placate that group otherwise it would be extremely bad PR. I can see the headlines now...

As for what you think Dell is capable of, what you're missing is the business logic in doing so. It's simple. ECO101 stuff. If you sell more units of MSFT installed than Linux and the margin is more or less the same, you Sell as many units of the MSFT installed that the market can bear than you do of the Linux installed units. And you don't divert resources to selling Linux units if you're certain that the MSFT units will outsell them. Hence, the less than 1% allocation to Ubuntu sales. Dell will do what's in the best interest of its business. Niche plays, which Ubuntu is, do not do well over the long run. Just a fact of business.

That said, keeping in mind that Linux demand is very low as compared to MSFT, keep your expectations realistic. And realized that what you desire, while "cool" to you, may not make any business sense if your desire amounts to nothing more than a minority interest. And that's why you're going to see less choice for Linux at least in the medium term.
moj0rising
07/04/07		 I would really love to have this option. I just bought an Inspiron 1505n for my wife and it's terrific. I just wish I could get one of these smaller laptops for myself some time in the future.
fing
07/08/07		 The only thing that should stop Dell from offering ubuntu on the entire product line is if there is insufficient hardware support for a particular machine.

Note to Dell remember you are primarily a computer sales company.. NOT an offshoot of Microsoft.
You have made the step to make Linux available preloaded to you're customers.. Well? The ball is rolling.. Run with it. :)

[on another note] Bet y'all are getting some "Interesting" mail from MS.
blujay
07/08/07		 Yes, please, Dell, start selling Ubuntu on a nice, lightweight yet still decently powerful 12-13 inch laptop! I don't want to lug around a heavy 14-15 inch laptop. If Dell would sell a 12-13 inch laptop for around the same price as their new 14 inch Inspiron, wow, that would be a deal.
jscinoz
07/12/07		 Benjesuit, The range of games you can run on Linux are much wider than you'd expect. >70% of Windows games can run at full speed or faster by using WINE. This isn't visualization or emulation, but an open source implementation of the core Windows dynamic link libraries, which of course means you get native speeds, but since to Linux's superior handling of RAM and lower hardware overhead, you'll often have greater gaming performance than in Windows.
genium
07/12/07		 Hopes this will be available in France soon
gabox
07/14/07		 Please Linux on xps 1210 and 1330.

thanks DELL
benjesuit
07/14/07		 @Jscinoz

Yep. I've run wine on Ubuntu. Not for games though. But the thing is, for the average user, running a windows game on Linux is a PITA. Not to mention that no serious gamer would even consider it (and with good reason) which is what XPS gaming/ entertainment systems are designed for.

That's why you don't see the major vendors of gaming laptops like Asus, Clevo (Alienware, Sager, etc), Compal, and Toshiba designing gaming machines with Linux in mind. Nor do they or their resellers offer Linux. In the gaming community, Linux is fringe.
dell_admin1
07/20/07		 Changed status to **UNDER REVIEW**.
juzz
07/23/07		 I would definitely buy the M1330 if there was an option to buy it with Linux (and still have all the normal options such as the Nvidia card).
And for the record I live in Denmark.
maccam94
07/25/07		 The last feature I'm waiting for before buying an Ubuntu Dell laptop is a smaller screen size... >_<
yesmathew
07/26/07		 Merged Idea originally posted 06/22/07
I'm Looking for 13.3" Dell Ubuntu notebook

Hey Dell, after playing with Macbook 13.3" with HDMI, I am interested to get similar hardware from Dell with Ubuntu on it. Can you build one for us?

Your loyal customer.
abushfan
07/27/07		 Dell, ive never owned a dell in my life. I am in the market for a new laptop, i previously had a macbook. Im thinking about getting a new macbook , when they release the new version or a hp laptop. When i saw your m1330 that changed my whole mind on both of those. Now if it came with linux it would be a sealed deal.. just a tought.
abushfan
07/27/07		 benjesuit, get your mind out of the gutter. It was mentioned before that having a computer capable of dishing out some good graphics doesn't mean its only for gaming. There are many programs that are graphic intensive, something the xps line would be capable of , not to mention the nice form factor...
mikklepp
07/27/07		 I ordered recently an M1330. Dell's recent and significant improvements in Linux support was the key reason for me to choose Dell. I'm quite happy to do a clean Ubuntu install on the machine once I get it, and the included Windows license might come handy one day. Thus I don't mind the fact that Linux was not even offered. I want to thank Dell for leading the way.

An important practical thing for me was the fact that Dell offers this high-end product with "low-end" Intel graphics. Intel's Linux support is superior to the competition. It seems Dell understands and appreciates the value of well supported HW for me, their customer. Thanks.
benjesuit
07/27/07		 @abushfan

Tell that to Dell then, who markets their premier XPS units to the gaming community. And tell that to the rest of the Gaming Notebook market. I guess the gaming world's mind is in... how did you put it? In the gutter?

LOL.

Oh and Nvidia's Quattros are for what you're talking about. Not their geForce or M cards. *shrug*

Bye bye now.
consilien
07/30/07		 I have one on order. As soon as I get it, I am going to attempt loading Ubuntu on it myself.....
howlingmadhowie
07/31/07		 i find some of the anti-linux rhetoric on this site troublesome. why should someone spend their time telling dell not to offer something which has already been promoted 4000 times? it is hard to believe that they have dell's best interests at heart. to these people i say--if you personally wouldn't buy the product just don't buy it, but accept that there are people who would.

it's interesting microsoft-fanboyism and i wonder where it comes from. are these people so reactionary that they wouldn't buy dell products in general if dell catered for the linux community? it reminds me of fundamentalist christians boycotting a company that respects gay and lesbian employees.

now that i've insulted everybody i'd best be stopping...
benjesuit
07/31/07		 Didn't read through the whole thread huh? And it's 400 times, not 4000. Each vote counts as 10 points.
howlingmadhowie
07/31/07		 i did actually read through the whole thread. there is one poster called benjesuit who came up with an argument against it (his only argument against this idea if i may add). his argument was "what a waste". "a waste of what?" i wonder. maybe he thinks that the xps doesn't feel like it will be able to develop itself to the full if it runs ubuntu and not vista? it does seem like a very strange reason for dell not to offer a product for people who obviously want to buy it. even stranger is the fact that he obviously spends a fair amount of his time trying to convince dell not to offer products to people who would buy them. i wonder what this benjesuit does for a living (if anything)?
miceagol
08/01/07		 benjesuit wrote:
> And it's 400 times, not 4000. Each vote counts as 10 points.

524 votes and counting... :)
benjesuit
08/01/07		 @howlingmadhowie.

Explain if you can, what my argument actually was. If you read through the thread you'd know that my argument is about why DELL won't install Ubuntu on the XPS GAMING line. A 13" XPS with bottom of the line Nvidia graphics (8400GS 128mb) is not in the least a gaming machine. So obviously I'm not opposed to THIS idea. And I'm not convincing or trying to convince Dell of anything. Just pointing out a fact of the business. Perhaps you could say I'm trying to wake up the dreamers.

And if you bother to look at my other submissions, you'll note that I'm quite pro Linux and pro Ubuntu. Only difference is, I'm not a dreamer. I'm a realist. Grounded in economic reality and not in anti-MSFT or anti-Linux rhetoric.

Look! Gasp! I didn't even demote the idea.

You're not a bad guy. But for next time, do a little reading before commenting as if you know what you're talking about.
crippy
08/02/07		 I currently have a m1210 with Ubuntu loaded and I love it. I dual boot windows and linux on this machine. It is by no means a stock machine and have had no trouble supporting my Nvidia graphics card in linux. But it would be nice to be able to order it from the factory with Ubuntu. Wireless drivers are a little crazy but it can be done. I was planning on buying another 17 inch model and would love to get Linux on it from the factory. A dual boot would be sweet.
benjesuit
08/03/07		 Yeah, those broadcom chips are murder in Linux. No problems with Intel chips though.
codemonkeyx
08/08/07		 Pre-installed might be nice, but I just want a drivers page or some sign that Dell is working to make all the laptop's features work well with Linux. Right now it looks like the Beta of Ubuntu might be working, but more official support might be nice.
gabox
08/11/07		 Please Dell support XPS M1210 with linux.It's necesary!!! thanks a lot.
julian
08/13/07		 I develop 3D applications in a Linux environment and travel very often. This makes the XPS M1330 an ideal portable for me.

If you were to support Ubuntu on this machine I would buy one immediately.
scythe
08/17/07		 I second julian with the XPS M1330 (or atleast a decent graphics card in the 1420n with wireless-n support)
kcin1204
08/17/07		 I dont understand what the big discussion is about. Linux already works on the machine https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingUbuntuOnADellXPSM1330 . The only thing that would be nice would be to have it work out of the box. But since its already mostly working besides a few small features del wouldnt have to spend that much time at all to get it to work. Either way linux/ubuntu works on the the m1330. Everyone have a great day and realize that while you were arguing people where making it work. actions speak louder then words...

for those of you trying to get ubuntu to work on the m1330 here is another link:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=485275&highlight=xps<
howlingmadhowie
08/17/07		 kcin1204: this isn't about if gnu/linux will run on any particular computer. apart from winmodems (where i just can't be bothered) i have yet to find an item of hardware which i couldn't get to work on linux. what this is about is not counting as another sale for microsoft. i don't want a blatantly and malevolently illegal company to be able to add me to their statistics.
yesmathew
08/17/07		 Matt Domsch on Linux driver support on the new Dell XPS M1330
fgilley
08/19/07		 This system i love because of HDMI support... i wish all computers had it.
rfettig
08/24/07		 I don't really need a new laptop for any good reason. I want to get one because I want to support Dell's decision to support my operating system. Of course, the one laptop they have with Ubuntu preinstalled doesn't excite me. I would be happy to buy a XPS M1330, but only if it sends the message that the Linux community is willing to support those who support us. If not, there's really nothing wrong with the laptop I already have.
kcin1204
12/04/07		 howlingmadhowie : I totally agree with you. I am just upset about the figures that they posted about there being only 40,000 or so ubuntu machines sold. the only reason that figure is so small is because you are not able to designate that the machine is never going to run windows and that you are just planning to install ubuntu or any favor of linux on it as soon as you get it. If dell wanted to get a report of the number of machines that are running ubuntu why dont they just ask. they have all of our contact information a mass email would be extremely easy to generate and calculate the results.
howlingmadhowie
12/05/07		 it is an interesting situation when every major pc retailer in the world is saying to hundreds of thousands of people "no you can't have what you want. we won't sell it to you. Instead you will be required to give your money to an illegal and immoral company."

i see this in companies all the time--tens or hundreds of windows pcs are ordered just to have their hard drives wiped and linux or *bsd installed so that the employees can get some work done. there is not a single major pc retailer who will sell them the pcs either without an operating system or with pre-installed linux/*bsd.
qkchuah
Jan 11		 Would be great for Dell to offer Ubuntu to XPS range like M1330, M1530 and make it better if the XPS range can be offer with AMD processor also
cdiggity
Jan 14		 Personally I don't need another license for windows and would like a nice new XPS laptop with the LED display. Buying any of the dell products with a blank hard drive (and reducing the price accordingly) should be an option! Virtually every other aspect of the PC is configurable so why not this one?
mattions
Jan 23		 It's really a good idea to give ppl the possibility to choose.
I want one choice more :)
kara_k
Jan 23		 Changed status to **IN PROGRESS**.

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matt_d
Jan 24		 Thanks to everyone who voted for this idea. Your enthusiasm and persistence is what drove us to add Ubuntu to the XPS M1330n.
yesmathew
Jan 28		 Congratulations Dell
gabox
Feb 16		 but M1210 is pending ??? thanks a lot.
winoffice
Feb 16		 gabox: Dell already discontinued the M1210 - obviously to replace it with the M1330. But if I were forced to choose between those two, then I would choose the 1210.
qkchuah
Feb 19		 Over at Dell Malaysia, the XPS1330 is still only able to configure using Vista. There is no Ubuntu options in it. Is Dell going to make it available or planning to offer at a later time or just not offering this options at all ?
winoffice
Feb 19		 qkchuah: Currently they offer the M1330 with Ubuntu in France, Germany, Spain, and the U.K. As for Malaysia, I do not know when they plan to offer Ubuntu on the 1330.
libertyshadow
Mar 5		 I would by the M1330N through USA Member Purchase program (which is available 30% of the time I refresh the page with a $50 instant savings) IF ONLY they offered the Nvidia card.

Take a hint, Dell.
kara_k
Mar 5		 Changed status to **PARTIALLY IMPLEMENTED**.

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