Sell Linux PCs Worldwide - not only the United States

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Sell Linux PCs Worldwide - not only the United States

46600 points posted to Linux, Sales Strategies, Desktops and Laptops by ergo 05/02/07 **PARTIALLY IMPLEMENTED**

Dell has now decided to sell computers with Linux pre-installed. GREAT MOVE! But for the moment, it only concerns the US... Here outside the US, we can't wait to buy a pre-installed Linux Dell PC! Please sell Linux PCs worldwide!

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hjwasson 05/02/07	I'm still waiting to see what, if any, cost difference there will be between identical Vista and Ubuntu machines. If no difference, just buy a Vista licensed machine, wipe the drive, install Ubuntu, Fedora, SUSE, CentOS or whatever your favorite distribution of Linux is yourself. Download any needed hardware drivers from Dell or the hardware manufacturer, and you're in business. If you ever decide you actually want to use Vista, you can use your restore CD to load it back on. Or you can dual-boot.
ergo 05/02/07	If no difference, buy a linux box. => Otherwise it will not be counted as a linux sale, and the statistics of Dell linux market share won't reflect the reality... My guess is that the difference of price will be small... To avoid the opposite : people buying linux boxes, reformating and installing a pirated copy of winxp... Anyhow, i'd like the Linux box to be sold here in Europe :)
hjwasson 05/02/07	Good post, ergo. I was thinking in terms of a user keeping his/her options open. I should have been thinking about the ramifications if Linux doesn't show a strong showing in sales. I bow to your wisdom. If we want Linux (or any non-Windows) choice to continue to be supported, we have to show Dell that we truly do care about it. The Linux option PC's & notebooks should be available in Europe! They should be available world-wide! My guess is that Dell is using the U.S. to pilot the program, and will roll out to at least Europe eventually. I've learned the sad truth that Dell doesn't sell all of their products world-wide though, so let's cross our fingers!
candtalan 05/03/07	If the vista or xp licence is not being used, then the eula should be refused and a refund required.
b4silence 05/03/07	hjwasson: why not buy a dell linux machine (that way you are assured that your hardware works well) and then, if you don't like Ubuntu, format and install your favorite distro!! You even save some money because you're not paying for a freaking OS that you won't use!
hjwasson 05/03/07	Thank you, b4silence, I actually agreed with ergo on that in my last post. Perhaps I was just too wordy in my response. We won't know if we'll save any money on the Linux offerings - until we can compare identically configured machines with the different OS's selected. Linux is "free," but Windows is subsidized with all that pre-bundled trial software.
jarocooke 05/03/07	Not so bothered about the price difference if any - am bother about having a nice modern laptop where I know that my favourite distribution of Linux will work without any hassle. Also as mentioned I wouldn't consider buying a laptop with Vista installed and wiping the hard drive, because it encourages exactly the opposite behaviour to the one that makes my life easier. Unfortunately I need to buy another laptop (for the wife) in the next month (maybe at a push two) and would 100% buy it from Dell, if I can. Otherwise I will have to buy a non branded, probably more expensive laptop from a UK company that builds them and preinstalls Ubuntu. Come on Dell, I am sitting here with £500 - £750 which I want to spend on your products, just give me the option!
yesmathew 05/04/07	All interested in Ubuntu+Dell for Europe market, should vote for both thread this one and http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/66731 Cheers :)
rapunzelfisch 05/04/07	Did you ever think about the possibility that Dell wants this whole Linux thing to fail? Why do they just offer it in the USA, although the Linux adoption rate is far lower than that of Europe or Asia? I bet they won't offer it in these markets and then shut it down due to lack of customer demand after a while....
hjwasson 05/04/07	Wow, rapunzelfisch! That's pretty pessimistic! The program hasn't even actually started in the US yet, so I think it's rather premature to start accusing Dell of Machiavelian schemes to poison Linux. My (perhaps optimistic) thought is that they are starting with the US as a pilot program, and will roll out to other markets as they work out the kinks.
ergo 05/05/07	If it wanted it to fail, it wouldn't start it... -_-
dersuzala 05/05/07	The interest for Linux PC in Asia, South America and another regions is developing fast. The governments in many countries in those regions of the world are engaged to offer free software to the citizens. For this reason is very important Dell think in a different way, despite US are the principal market.
rscheideman 05/05/07	I would really like to see it available in Canada. I am all for the Ubuntu distribution. Good going Dell.
hjwasson 05/05/07	rscheideman, surely Dell doesn't treat Canadians different from people in the U.S. (sorry, the term Americans felt too posessive & arrogant when we live on the same continent)? Don't most Canadians live within 100 miles of our shared border? And don't most Canadians speak English (regardless of whether it's their only language or preferred language)? That's just sad. I truly wish that Dell would treat customers the same globally. If you feel the same way, vote on my post (and the many similar posts you can find by searching IdeaStorm): http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/66396
lordshipmayhem 05/05/07	Here's another vote for Canadian distribution. The first major distributor to offer the Canadian market laptops with Linux preinstalled, gets my money. That could be Dell, or Toshiba, or Sony, or Lenovo. I'm ready to buy, I'm just hanging back waiting for them to be ready to sell.
megadelt 05/05/07	I hope that Dell sell laptops with linux in Chile
trocupei 05/05/07	Fortunatly . i live in Québec....Easy to order from the states
sergi 05/06/07	apenas encuentre un dell con linux acá en chile, lo compro de inmediato
hjwasson 05/06/07	Babelfish says the (literal) translation of sergi's statement is: "Hardly it finds dell with linux here in Chile, I buy it immediately." So I think he's saying that he would buy a computer with Linux distro immediately, if it were available in Chile. Any native Spanish speakers want to correct me?
awong 05/06/07	I agree that Dell should give customers the choice of purchasing their newly expanded line of pre-installed Linux systems world-wide, including Canada! (I will be looking for a new laptop in the near future, and I have the patience to wait for a while...)
kafuuin 05/06/07	yeah pls sell some to mexico customers
socceroos 05/07/07	I know that here in Australia there would be plenty of demand for Ubuntu Linux on Dell desktops and notebooks. The very minute they offer it here in Australia I am getting one for my wife. She cant stand XP or Vista.
jkbyronsky 05/07/07	I'm in Australia and have bought Dell in the past. Now not interested in a Vista system, but would definitely consider Dell again if it came with Linux
ergo 05/07/07	I'd like to hear the comments of the demoters...
pogson 05/07/07	The market for Linux is larger outside the US than in. Why restrict this program to US? I guess it must be a trial in one market segment in the corporate HQ. Let us hope for dramatic success that will be copied elsewhere. I am in Canada working in education. We can sure use the low maintenance, reliability, flexibility and low licensing costs of GNU/Linux.
jack.ripoff 05/07/07	The OEMs are the only ones with enough power to pressure the chip vendors to release their documentation! Vendors: we don't want your source code and we don't want NDAs. All we want is the complete documentation of your hardware so we can build our own stable and maintainable opensource drivers! If Dell wants to let its customers satisfied with its new Linux PCs offering, it MUST make vendors provide full and free (both in the sense of freedom - i.e. not under NDA - and in the sense of price) documentation. The rest (hardware support and opensource drivers) will come along. Cast your vote for free hardware documentation! Dell's Linux PCs offering will be completely useless without proper hardware support... http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/64498
bluewolf030 05/07/07	I need a new laptop and if Dell isn't going to sell me one in Canada I will end up buying from Eurocom again since they let me choose no OS.
hjwasson 05/07/07	Eurocom notebooks look pretty decent - how's their reliability? By all means, bluewolf030, go with the vendor that fits your needs. http://www.eurocom.ca/ Me, I'm still holding out for updated an XPS M1710 or Alienware Aurora m9700. I just looked at Voodoo PC, and wow! I thought that my top two choices were expensive, but these Envy notebooks take it up to another level.... http://www.voodoopc.com/sellpage/sellpage.aspx?spid=58
honeyb 05/08/07	There was a thread about this on ubuntu-ca mailing list. Apparently Dell Canada didn't even know Dell in the US was doing anything https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ca/2007-May/002817.html (call to Dell CA) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ca/2007-May/002787.html (first message) I would personally really love Ubuntu in Canada, a nice Linux laptop from Dell is what I want. It's just an imaginary border line away, too... :)
luisr 05/08/07	maybe the problem with selling linux outside usa is support, as long as i know, right now support for linux will be through canonica, which i think is only english.
awong 05/08/07	As mentioned by others, I believe Dell is trying out the market in the US first, since it is a US based company. There are many English speakers in other countries (especially Canada (hint hint, Dell!),UK, Australia, etc.) so I don't believe EFL is the reason. And like ergo, I'd also like to hear the comments of the demoters.
phredd 05/10/07	I will be in the market for a new laptop before the end of summer... I would definitely buy a Dell if they preinstalled Ubuntu and made it available here in Canada.
bazza 05/12/07	Dell should be able to offer a dual boot box with both WinWhatsItCalledThisYear (WWITCTY) and Linux (Ubuntu - why not?). That makes sense because there are a few things that are only available on WWITCTY and when one must, one must :o( Yes, make it available in Europe please! Bazza Siemens Amilo L/Ubuntu User
hjwasson 05/12/07	That's a fine option, bazza, as long as people understand that they would be paying for Windows licensing plus Ubuntu Linux support - so the price will be a little higher.
jenriquez 05/13/07	I'm an Ubuntu user since 5.04 (it's been my first and only Linux distribution). I voted for the Linux option, now I hope Ubuntu/Linux+Dell reaches Mexico :). Though, I think it won't be soon, so I'd had to buy one with Win and install Ubuntu myself :(. hjwasson, another translation could be: "I'll buy a Dell with Ubuntu as soon as I find one in Chile".
hjwasson 05/13/07	jenrquez, thanks for the translation!
zeroguy 05/14/07	I was just going to propose this!! Then i saw somebody proposed before me... It's quite obvious, i don't understand why we europeans will have to wait so see Ubuntu preinstalled in Dell computers :( I'm anxious for buying one of them!! Go ahead Dell!
logoga 05/14/07	I would really like to see it available in Germany!
virtualnico 05/14/07	I'm a belgian student and I'd like to buy a laptop because I need one for my work. But the only way to buy one without Windows is to import it from France! So as soon as I can buy a Dell laptop with Ubuntu Linux preloaded, or without any OS, I buy it immediately! But I won't pay for Microsoft products... "In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?"
monday90 05/15/07	Merged Idea originally posted 05/07/07 Make your Linux /Openoffice /Firefox options available in the UK I live in the UK and still the UK website makes no reference to any of the options you say you are going to make available in the US.
mattflaschen 05/16/07	You'll actually have better sales outside the U.S. initially.
rebanyo 05/17/07	I just called the Dell sales line. They gave me no information about when Linux would be an option in Argentina. It's just too bad... I build my own desktops, and small local manufacturers also sell Linux boxes with some crap distro, but I can't get any Linux laptops. I really hope they're available by christmas, I'd buy one for the job I hope to be starting then. I'd never buy a desktop (with any OS) from a major OEM unless it were really cheap (like an IBM I bought a few years ago), but I'd really be interested in a laptop with good Linux support and no Windows Tax.
ulgo 05/17/07	I am from Germany and I took the desicion don't being a slave of Microsoft anymore. I am running Linux on my PC and I am Happy with it. But I am going to buy a notebook for my study. I have read about the good quality of Dell, and because of that I want to buy one. But I don't want to pay for an insecure Operating System which will be remove from that notebook after it has arrived. So what should I do?
lukisi 05/18/07	I hope that this new suggestion from customers gets promoted by many and then gets LISTENED by DELL. I'm from Italy and I wanna buy a Ubuntu laptop.
mikexilva 05/18/07	Merged Idea originally posted 05/18/07 I'd like to see pre-instaled linux in europe also This will be my main decision factor when buying my next ultra-portable... 1- No windows preinstaled 2 - weight - lightest possible 3 - price
badblood 05/18/07	Merged Comment originally posted 05/18/07 that's 4 ideas. Should I vote up or down if I don't agree with all of your ideas. Actually point 3 isn't an idea.....
mikexilva 05/18/07	Merged Comment originally posted 05/18/07 ok I replace point 3 with this: 3 - No optical drive included (no cd-rom, no dvd) meaning less weight and less volume. In case there is one optical drive, at least make it replacable with an extra battery. In my opinion, inside the open source world CD's are not a requirement. USB-sticks might replace a CD-RW in most cases.
badblood 05/18/07	Merged Comment originally posted 05/18/07 That's even more ideas...maybe you should split your ideas into a number of different ones and by the way you can edit this idea.
felipeperucho 05/18/07	Hardly it finds Dell with Linux in Spain, I buy it immediately. And not only for my personal use but for my high school, as we are migrating to Linux.
eivar 05/19/07	Saludos desde Panamá, en america latina también queremos Ubuntu pre-instalado. :D
lemuria 05/19/07	I'm from Costa Rica mattflaschen said: "You'll actually have better sales outside the U.S. initially." A very wise post. in Latin America are many MANY people who wants to buy a GNU/Linux Pre-instaled system. I think this: The sooner Dell sale PC's with GNU/Linux (Ubuntu,etc) sooner they become on the leader of the global market. Dell can be the first. Imagine the comercial posibilities : ALL the world users of Linux, buying Dell computers. For the moment, i only wait for the final decision and for my Dell with Linux.
delfinrod 05/19/07	Por favor vendan màquinas con Ubuntu.
andresaguso 05/20/07	en colombia, aca tambien seria como bueno que vendieran maquinas con linux, ojala no solo ubuntu, sino tambien algunos de sus otros sabores, kubuntu por ejemplo, o xubuntu, la diferencia no es mucha, el soporte podria ser tranquilamente el mismo
hello77 05/21/07	with the international market being larger than the us market ---- it would seem that dell should offer linux on an international basis --- there is no reason not to --- and a lot of reasons why dell should sell linux computer internationally
hjwasson 05/21/07	I think that Dell will sell systems with Ubuntu globally - they're just rolling it out one region at a time, starting with the US. I'm sure that there are distribution and support kinks that need to be worked out before the project is expanded. Ubuntu will also need time to scale up to supporting customers on a global basis.
pier11 05/21/07	I want Dell/Ubuntu in the UK!
wowmir 05/21/07	Sell Linux Dell in India. Can one do a dual boot with a restore CD ?
lukisi 05/22/07	The technical details for ubuntu on dell are out. They are wonderful! I hold breath waiting to know the prices. Please, in Europe too!!!
lordshipmayhem 05/22/07	wowmir: I'll assume the dual boot is Windows/Linux. It's always (ok, usually) easier to create a dual-boot situation by starting with Windows installed and then running the installation disk for the Linux distribution. My experience is mostly with Mandriva: it autodetects Windows, asks you if you want to dual-boot (retaining Windows in its own sector if you do), then sets up LILO or GRUB to include Windows in the boot options. I believe the other major distributions work in a similar manner. Microsoft doesn't like to play well with the other OS's, so it makes this process borderline impossible and very manual. I think others have managed it with a great deal of work. I freely admit it's beyond my competency to achieve this.
kamajii 05/22/07	Sería bueno que que se pudieran comprar PC's con linux en TODO el mundo, al mismo tiempo que en Estados Unidos. Si no puede ser con el soporte de Ubuntu,.... al menos certificados para Linux. Sería estupendo, además, que los drívers fueran libres para poder instalar otras distribucciones de Linux.
matknny 05/22/07	Europe not only miss out on student discounts but also linux operating system pcs But i would really like them to be dual boot
rodox12 05/22/07	I will certanly buy a Dell computer if Dell sells PC with Ubuntu here(Brazil). GOOOO TUX.
dell_admin1 05/23/07	Changed status to ACKNOWLEDGED.
badblood 05/23/07	"ACKNOWLEDGED" What does that mean.... is it a kind of of hurumph, a nod, a cocking of the head....
jorge 05/24/07	It means we give up (Dell). We'll start thinking about letting other contries in on the bandwagon, Bill is pissed already lets not give him a heart attack, just yet.
weirdo 05/24/07	We want Dell/Ubuntu in Colombia, also. I agree with hello77. If the international market is bigger than the US market, why not make international sales? According to Google Trends, there is far more interest in Linux outside the US than there is in the US.
skeen 05/24/07	Would love this in the UK. :)
shakaz 05/24/07	Waiting in Belgium too ;-)
jesseberk 05/24/07	Actually you can uninstall Vista run Ubuntu as your OS and if u so desire you can run VISTA as a VM (Virtual Machine).
unity 05/24/07	I would love to buy an Ubuntu laptop in Ireland, so would alot of people who are sick of windows because they need to use Antivirus, Anti-Spyware, Anti-Rootkit, which majorly slows down their computer and costs money if they are paying for Norton etc. Also Ireland may be a small enough country but Irish people are known to be very open minded, which means they are probably more likely to try a new OS than in other countries. Please, please sell Ubuntu PCs worldwide. I am grateful that they are being sold in America but I would be even more so if they were sold worldwide. Please make it happen in the next 6 months!!!
t20racerman 05/24/07	You must start selling in the UK and worldwide soon. You have thousands of customers all round the world desperate to buy a Dell. What an exciting thing that is for your company - almost as exciting as the news that we can buy Linux computers from new! Well done Dell - 10/10 so far, now get them worldwide.
lucypher79 05/24/07	If no price difference, your initiative doesn't make sense. Don' think Dell have to pay Ubuntu the same price as for Vista.
jorge 05/24/07	Billy probably isn't playing nice at this point, Dell's just keeping him from throwing a temper tantrum. Don't bite the hand that (used) to feed.
logic 05/24/07	Last year i did build my own pc. Now, that i've seen the light (Ubuntu/Linux), i was planning to install it on my own build pc. To bad that its hardware/drivers were to exotic, so i thought that dell was going to sell linux compatible pc's. Which i read on several news sites (like the dutch: tweakers.net). But now that i see that this is only in the US i thing I'll shall wait for a while, till The Netherlands can also enjoy the full pleasure of Ubuntu and the good listening ear of dell.
bouchecl 05/24/07	Seems Dell has two classes of customers. Those in the US and those outside.What's the problem in selling Ubuntu Dell computers in Canada? The French canadian keyboard ? That's a load of cr*p. Please wake up the folks at Dell Canada. They're asleep at the wheel. Typed on a Dell Latitude D610 with a French canadian keyboard.
lucianotolfo 05/24/07	yeahh i'd like to have one of those dells with ubuntu! Please sell some in latin america too!!! ;)
brim4brim 05/25/07	My current laptop is a Dell with XP Pro. I'd love to see this happen (in Ireland/EU) but offered on the Latitude range. My current laptop is a D810 and I'd gladly buy again from Dell for a similar model especially with Ubuntu installed because since I got my D810 and Ubuntu 7.04 was released, I use it all the time instead of windows. Its just so much easier to use.
bergman 05/25/07	There are two important considerations when I purchase my next notebook computer: 1) I prefer to put my money on beefier hardware rather than Redmond OS with draconic prices and negative performance issues. 2) I prefer the *nix computer environment that is today only supported by one of the major computer-makers (Apple with their OS X). Dell´s entrance to the Swedish/European consumer market is therefor híghly anticipated.
weebit 05/25/07	Dell has made a mistake. Sell it world wide. Don't limit yourself. You have a gold mind, set it free! If you must limit, then set your sites on the areas not doing well after 6-8 months from now.
silver_sky 05/26/07	I'm sitting here in Switzerland (Europe) in front of an especially for linux configured desktop machine running Ubuntu 7.04. I'd really like to have the opportunity to buy a linux-optimized notebook as well. Market share of opensource software increases day by day. (See the Firefox Story) Wouldn't it be interesting for Dell to be part of this market worldwide? At least offering the freedom of choosing your OS (Windows / Ubuntu / None) and making the hardware more linux-compatible would be a very very great step ahead!!
misiu_mp 05/26/07	Im writing from Sweden. Sell linux desktops and laptops not only in Sweden but in all countries you operate !!!
misiu_mp 05/26/07	Anybody wanting to have dell linux computers in their countries, please go http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=sw_linux&th...< add your opinion. We need them to know that we want linux computers in our countries! Spread the word!
marwal 05/26/07	Give DELL users the choice NOT to use Windows. Until that happends I really can't recommend DELL to anyone.
pcfixaren 05/27/07	I live in Sweden and I want to buy a Linux laptop from Dell but they wont sell me one I think that this is stupid and its also bad bussines I wont recomend Dell to any of my friends as long as they dont start to sell these computers in Sweden and the rest of the world
benji 05/27/07	I would love to buy a Dell computer with Linux preinstalled in the UK. Especially a laptop. Great idea.
svedka 05/27/07	I know many people here in Sweden who are tired of viruses, trojans etc and want to switch to Linux, but don't do it because of problems with compatibility, lack of drivers. Please start selling these computers here in Europe now. I will buy a Linux notebook as soon as you make them available here.
joelones 05/27/07	Like many others....any feedback on if and when the linux ubuntu offerings will be available to Canadians...
polter 05/27/07	I need a new desktop-computer in the end of summer when I start school again, so please start shipping to us poor europeans. Dell has a lot of goodwill coming if they do, and that, I believe, is a FACT. A lot of cred towards Dell for shipping Linux at all, but please! Sweden wants it!
magnet 05/28/07	I have to get a notebook very soon (before next September) and I won't give a cent to Microsoft. If Dell wants my money, start selling those Ubuntu and FreeDOS laptops in Europe and the rest of the world (writing from France). When I heard they were only distributed in the US, I wouldn't believe it: what's the logic? GNU/Linux is much more used here in Europe than in the States. Start advertising Dell with Ubuntu on TV. Throw money for game ports. You have borne with Microsoft long enough, it's time to be free and finally propose some quality software to your customers.
nako 05/29/07	You can begin in Spain. The Govermen of Andalucía (Junta de Andalucía) and the Goverment of Extremadura (Juta de Extremadura), regions from Spain, have got hteir own GNU/Linux distribution, called Linex (www.linex.org) and Guadalinex (www.guadalinex.org) Ubuntu based. Please, consider the posibility of get contracts with official goverments, schools, universities, etc.
vincenzoco 05/29/07	I have been looking for a major Laptop producer selling Linux pre-installed laptops for quite some time. I really would like to be able to buy an Ubuntu pre-installed laptop in ITALY. I often happened to meet people buying a computer for the first time who did not know anything about the difference between operating systems. They usually buy windows PCs just because the seller gives them ONLY windows PCs, but if they were able to choose, maybe they could take into account choices other that windows. I think Ubuntu pre-installed Laptops would greatly contribute to enlarge Linux awareness among the public. To Dell: please provide Linux pre-installed Desktops and Laptops in ITALY.
eskild 05/29/07	I shall be shopping for 1 or 2 laptops this summer. If the Dell-ubuntu reaches Denmark at least 1 of them will be such a machine!
lucianotolfo 05/30/07	All interested in Dell pc with UBUNTU for Latin America and emerging market countries, should vote for both thread this one and http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/67632/ ;-) good bye!
iltseng 05/30/07	Dell should also make Ubuntu PCs and laptops available in TAIWAN. Since TAIWAN has many global companies that sell or manufacture electronic components and parts, making Ubuntu PCs and laptops available in TAIWAN not only can make GNU/Linux-compatible hardware more prevalent, but also can drive down prices for GNU/Linux PCs and laptops. Made In Taiwan Bill Gates
yesmathew 05/31/07	Great Dell+Ubuntu for India too. I want to gift some one in India. Hurry...
d.weller 06/03/07	I badly need a new notebook and guess where I'm going to buy it, if Dell offers linux-laptops in Germany, too?! If not, Dell is simply not going to get MY money ...
m4rko 06/03/07	Great idea! I am italian and I love open source software! Linux does not "eat" 1 gB of RAM at minimum. Ubuntu personal computers does not cost as Vista personal computers. A great nuumber of peaple will have pc.
pinkwick 06/03/07	I'm Italian too and I'd really like a Dell notebook with Ubuntu: it isn't only for saving money, but expecially for being sure that my notebook will work well with my favourite OS. This would be really great! =)
ruy.benton 06/04/07	Hi, Its possible to buy in Portugal your products with Ubuntu? Thanks Ruy
jorge 06/04/07	I'm starting to understand why they don't offer Ubuntu everywhere now.

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