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New/updated XPS M1710/M1720 17" performance notebook

540 points posted to Gaming, XPS products by hjwasson 05/02/07

Dell's well regarded XPS M1710 is arguably the flagship of their notebook line. Unfortunately, it is starting to show it's age, and I am hoping that Dell will soon update it. Here is my personal wish-list for an updated M1710/M1720. Please make additional <u>realistic</u> suggestions, or discuss what you'd like to have that is different from my vision.

<u>XPS M1710/M1720 wish list:</u>



Processor: Intel Montevina (Mobile counterpart to Penryn) Core 2 Quad. If that's not yet ready when the new M1710/M1720 debuts, then Intel Centrino Pro(aka 'Santa Rosa') T7700 & T7500 Core 2 Duo.
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3265
http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/29/intels-penryn-core-2-quad-processor-on-sch...
http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/20/intels-santa-rosa-platform-officially-dubb...
Alternative Processor: If AMD manages to strike back at Intel with a powerful alternative to the Core 2 Duo, perhaps Dell could add a 'M1715' alternative with the AMD processor

DX10 compatible GPU: To fully support Windows Vista & DirectX 10, Dell needs to offer DX10 compatible video processors on all new notebooks. The nVidia Go 8800 (and AMD/ATI's mobile DX10 GPU, whenever it comes out) should make any XPS notebook gamer drool. Even Linux users wouldn't scoff at the 8800 - would they?

HDD/SSD Storage Options: Since Dell has acquired Alineware as a wholly owned subsidiary, perhaps we'll see some new technologies coming out of Area 51 to infuse the M1710? Specifically, I'd like to see multiple Hard Disk Drive/Solid State Drive bays available on the M1710. I'd be happy with 2 bays, which would allow for:

1. 32 GB (64 GB* or larger) SSD Primary Boot drive + 7200 RPM 160 GB SATA HDD** for additional storage (slower but larger HDD's could of course be offered in addition)

2. 2 Raid 0 (Striped) or Raid 1 (Mirrored) 7200 RPM SATA HDD's** (RAID 0 for increased storage and performance, RAID 1 for data redundancy [this does not replace the need for regular backups])

3. 2 Raid 0*** (Striped) SSD's for the extreme performance geeks (& you know who you are!)
* SuperTalent has already announced 64 GB SSD's, according to OverClockersClub: http://forums.overclockersclub.com/index.php?showtopic=69431
** I would want these 7200 RPM drives to be Seagate Momentus 7200.2 drives with "free fall protection" to protect data from loss due to drive head collisions with the platters.
http://www.techshout.com/hardware/2007/13/worlds-first-7200-rpm-160gb-momentu...
*** I have not seen real-world performance tests on striped SSD's yet, but the extreme performance enthusiasts sites seem to think it should work
http://news.com.com/Dell+to+acquire+Alienware/2100-1003_3-6052842.html
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1941376,00.asp
Memory: 4 DIMM slots to allow for up to 4 GB per core (800 MHz as well as 667 MHz offerings, natch)

UXGA (1920x1200) Display: Dell's current M1710 display is already impressive, but I've seen many posts requesting a minor antiglare coated screen option to the TrueLife display. Not a return to old anti-glare technology - just something a little less shiny. I guess not everyone enjoys looking at themselves, (especially when trying to use the display outdoors or in heavily backlit conditions). Why not use the same anti-glare coating technology used in eye-glasses and SLR cameras?

Optional A/V Communications Module: Similar to what is already offered on the M1210. There are many posts requesting webcams, and this module would allow the use of an internal cellular broadband modem Mini-Card, like the M1210 (1.3 MP webcam, microphone, internal loop antenna in the display panel for the cellular modem).

Mini-Card cellular Broadband modem: Drop the legacy dial-up modem port on the chassis (people who still need dial-up can use an ExpressCard or PC-Card option). Instead, offer cellular broadband modem Mini-Card options, HSUPA/HSDPA (aka 3G) for AT&T (formerly Cingular, formerly AT&T) and EVDO for Sprint/Verizon. I recommend the Option GTM380 HUSPA Mini-Card: http://www.option.com/products/gtm_380.shtml
AT&T is already upgrading to this standard (increases upload speeds - download speeds remain unaffected).
* Those who don't opt for the A/V Communications Module can of course utilize ExpressCard versions of these cellular broadband modems.
http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/82652
http://www.phonenews.com/content/view/1989/31/
Backlighted buttons & keyboard: There are many posts requesting LED backlit keyboard and mediadirect keys that can be read in the dark. There are additional requests that the backlighting be controlled by the user (Off, as well as brightness settings). This would greatly enhance the usability of the notebook in low-light conditions. The MediaDirect buttons on the M1210 light up, but do not show the function symbols - this needs to be addressed in future models.

Auto screen brightness sensor: This feature is now found on many notebooks, including Apple iBooks. It should be adjustable & overrideable by the user. This sensor could also be set to control automatic keyboard/MediaDirect button backlighting.

Dedicated hardware controlls for Wireless: Seperate dedicated buttons (or Fn-key combination buttons) to turn on/off Bluetooth, WiFi & Cellular Broadband transceivers (WiFi & Cellular Broadband <u>could</u> share a button and toggle in a loop, since it's unlikely you'd want both on at the same time: Off>WiFi>Cellular)

Update video ports: Keep S-Video, but drop the VGA in favor of two DVI outputs.

Better audio: Larger diameter speakers (primaries as well as sub-woofer) for better fidelity & greater volume output. Multiple 3.5mm audio jacks (like the M1210) that can convert to surround sound output. Integrated (not ExpressCard add-on) Creative X-Fi* audio option to power those new speakers.
* http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3589
Larger touchpad: I hate touchpads, but if the M1710/M1720 has one, it should take up the entire space from the spacebar to the front edge of the computer (for less lift & drag, lift & drag suckiness and higher precision) Dimensions should match screen ratio (WideScreen). There should be a physical Scroll wheel/middle button between the Left & Right buttons (or perhaps on the front bezel, centered between the L&R buttons - to avoid issues with closing the display).

Dedicated Numeric Keypad: There have been many posts requesting a dedicated numeric keypad on larger notebooks (no, the function-key enabled embedded keypad does not cut it). I personally would not want to sit off-center from my display to have this feature (like those found on Toshiba & HP notebooks), but would welcome a dedicated pad in the unused palm-rest area below the
keyboard & immediately to the right of the touch-pad.

Increased I/O ports: 2 ExpressCard slots (or 1 ExpressCard + 1 PC-Card for legacy support), eSATA & FireWire in addition to USB 2.0 ports on the chassis.

Multiple battery charger option for XPS notebooks: Especially for a power hungry beast such as this, it would be nice if there was a multiple battery charger accessory to charge spare batteries while the notebook is in use. I realize that most owners would keep their M1710/M1720 tethered to the wall for gaming, but sometimes it's nice to be able to sit on the couch next to the missus/mister/significant other and just surf the web. More importantly, while this system is heavily focused towards LAN party gamers, it would make an absolutely dandy mobile sales presentation machine! You wouldn't even need to bring along a digital projector for small group presentations (1 or 2 clients). See this

http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/66117


benjesuit
05/02/07
Mate, clean up this post's format a bit.
hjwasson
05/02/07
Wow! I just looked at my post in IE6, and it's formatting is terrible! Not that it was exactly what I wanted in Firefox 2, but far better than how it presents in IE. My apologies, everyone! I will work to clean it up right away....
hjwasson
05/02/07
Okay...I've cleaned the formatting up as best as I could. Hopefully Internet Explorer will display things cleanly enough for people to understand everything I'm throwing at them. Thank you, benjesuit, for pointing out the issue to me!

I apologize also for the huge forum header at the top. Apparently, you should not select the forum headers each time you edit your post, as it keeps adding the forum headers each time you save. It should only read "Gaming Forum | Gaming Headlines | Desktops and Notebooks Forum | Desktops and Notebooks Headlines"
andepiel45
05/03/07
It summarizes all my wishes, except three:

1.- System HDD imaging program (such as Acronis TrueImage, Microsoft RIS or RescueDisc). This way you can restore a clean image of the system on a regular basis -pretty necessary on Windows, I guess due to register-

2.- ATI/Nvidia option always available. I prefer Nvidia, since better driver's support, and some systems only allow ATI cards.

3.- Include all your improvements worldwide, not only US. I am from Spain, and things arrive here in Europe with a large delay.


I would like to remark two aspects on the features listed on this great thread:

a.- Anti-Reflection LCD ====> Yeah, it is very annoying to see your face better than what you are watching at.

b.- eSATA interface for plugging SATA2 external HDDs.

c.- Storage in two devices, either 2xHDD RAID as Vaio laptops, or solid state memory for OS. The OS is something that you need to have, but you actually don't care about it, so, put it somewhere with a recovery mechanism, and that's all. Nobody wants to deal with it as long as it works.
hjwasson
05/03/07
andepiel, thanks for your comments. My responses are:

1. HDD imaging software - I'm assuming you'd like Dell to bundle this as free software? Or just have it in the options screen when you click through your purchase? Otherwise, you could always purchase it elsewhere. Good point, though - making full drive backups is certainly one way of maintaining your system.

2. GPU's - Yes, I'm all in favor of having high end graphics options from more than one vendor. There's plenty of devoted nVidia fans and ATI (now AMD) fans. In point of fact, I'm scared of the possibility that we'll eventually have only one vendor in this arena. So many have fallen by the wayside - and we don't really need to have another monopoly. It would only stifle innovation.

3. Global availability of product - I completely agree with this. I don't know why it can't be done in today's globalized, interconnected world. BTW...what's to stop you from configuring a machine on the US website, and having it shipped to your location anywhere in the world? Does Dell not allow shipping outside of the US, if you're on the US website? Or is it an issue with warranty service?

a. It used to be that the chemical anti-reflective coatings placed on camera lenses and eye-glasses did not bond well with plastics. These days, you can get plastic lenses with AR coatings - so I think it would be relatively easy to do the same to the face of the LCD display. Relative care would need to be taken to not scratch the coating - but the same has to be said about the plastic screen itself. I always use a microfiber cloth. Anyway, I'd like to see this as an option - even if they did charge an extra $20-$50. It would be worth it not to have to look at my ugly mug all the time! ;-)

b. eSATA port - I addressed that towards the bottom, under "Increased I/O ports." I've written so much on this post, it's no wonder you didn't see it. I really care about this wish list, and want it to be my next major computer purchase.

c. 2 drive bays - I addressed that towards the top, under "HDD/SSD Storage Options." Sorry for being so wordy with my posts!
hjwasson
05/03/07
felixdaacat has made some interesting suggestions on his similar post. Check it out:
 http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/66760/Laptop_Ideas
andepiel45
05/04/07
Related to the imaging system, I was refering an "Out of the box" system, already installed by default and a manual showing how to back-up the system, once all the applications are loaded and how to restore it periodically teh clean image. In my experience is the only way to keep a Windows functional, especially on home environments, since lost of programs install and deinstall and so on.

About buying in Dell's US store, I am not sure if I am allow. Anyway, there are some troubles:

1.- Expensive shipment
2.- Extremely high importation fees (around 20% of the cost)
3.- European VAT (Value Add Tax), around 17%
4.- Currency conversion fees.

At the end, the laptop has a extremely high cost on the US store compared to irish one, although apparently is cheaper (VAT is not included, and 1 EUR = 0'8 $).

hjwasson
05/04/07
Ouch! I forgot about import tariffs & taxes! That certainly kills the deal! I think you would agree that since Dell is a global company, they should sell all of their products globally! Please vote on this post:
   All Dell products should be available globally 
http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/66396
shiningarcanine
05/04/07
I voted for it, but I do not like the idea of having LED keyboards. I also do not think that the larger touchpad and extra DVI port in place of the VGA port are that practical, considering that people might need to use an older monitor and that the average person would prefer the cursor to move more from moving their fingers less than less from moving their fingers more, which would be the only reason for the larger touchpad.
hjwasson
05/04/07
I disagree (obviously), shiningarcanine - but I respect your opinion.

1. Have you seen the LED lights on the current M1710? The backlit keyboard is a natural extension of that, and would allow users to use it in the dark (like the Logitech G15 & G11 keyboards). Just like on the current model, people who don't like it (or who happen to be using it at work at the moment) could turn it off.

2. As far as dumping the VGA port in favor of DVI - the beauty of DVI is that it's backwards compatible with VGA with a simple adapter that could be included with the notebook (just like they are with desktop systems). The advantage you get in return is that you can output to two LCD monitors in native DVI format, instead of having to downgrade one monitor to VGA. VGA was created in the days of CRT monitors. As much as I'm a fan of good quality (& big) CRT monitors - their time has ended, and LCD's are the new dominant monitor technology.

3. Large touchpad: The nice thing about touchpads is that their sensitivity is adjustable. People don't have to use the entire real estate - they can just increase the sensitivity. However, on the tiny touchpad on my M1210, I have to "lift & drag, lift & drag." If I turn up the sensitivity, I don't have precise enough control. Having a larger pad would greatly help with this. There's a reason why digital artists use a Wacom digital pad instead of a touch pad. Consider my wish list touchpad to be a half-step towards that digital tablet! ;-)
jmxz
08/13/07
from the Idea... "DX10"

Seems DX10's already

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/11/0524250&from=rss
SIGGRAPH 2007 was the stage where Microsoft dropped the bomb, informing gamers that the currently available DirectX 10 hardware will not support the upcoming DirectX 10.1 in Vista SP1. In essence, all current DX10 hardware is now obsolete.


Perhaps updating this to request DX10.1 would be better?
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