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Dell Thin Clients

1847 points posted to Servers and Storage by beijaflor 02/19/07

Dell is able to make full PCs for $359.

Imagine what would be the prize of "terminals" for thin client computing ...
- a low-consuming processor at 500-700 Mhz
- no fan design
- on-board 128 Mb flash
- on board 512 Meg RAM
- VESA mountable
- solid state architecture
- PXE bootable

- Remote OS and application :
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9097
Or even Windows Terminal Server for small deployment if people have the money to pay it.

Thin computing answers to 75% of needs related to computers in school, librairies, hospitals and more ...

Dell could even sell the servers coming with the "thin-clients solutions" ...

I also see the Screen+Keyboard+Mouse option

And think about the network ...

With modern thin-computing solutions, the deployments are made on a larger scale (thousands of terminals across fiber networks) and with thin-clients provided by a large company like Dell, the savings could be on the hardware AND on the software ...

arthus
02/20/07
Yes great idea. I agree that perfectly.
See my entry.
arthus
02/21/07
but dont forgot the old PS/2. It is needed for popular for health insurance company maps.
arthus
08/03/07
Merged Idea originally posted 02/20/07
Thin Clients

We need Thin Clients.
arthus
08/03/07
Merged Comment originally posted 02/20/07
Thin Clients are the future.

Around the administrative expenditure as possible to keep as small should be jumped up now finally once on this course. The small desktop PC's are for this no alternative. We want Thin Clients and get these also from other manufacturers. The total hardware structure is thereby divided. This is disadvantageous and the Dell hardware can lead to the roll out.

This development is to be observed at present everywhere in Germany and Europe. What about the USA?

Only in order to work against misunderstandings I like Dell.

Sorry for bad english
arthus
08/03/07
Merged Comment originally posted 02/20/07
Thin Clients are the future.

Around the administrative expenditure as possible to keep as small should be jumped up now finally once on this course. The small desktop PC's are for this no alternative. We want Thin Clients and get these also from other manufacturers. The total hardware structure is thereby divided. This is disadvantageous and the Dell hardware can lead to the roll out.

This development is to be observed at present everywhere in Germany and Europe. What about the USA?

Only in order to work against misunderstandings I like Dell.

Sorry for bad english
beijaflor
08/03/07
Merged Comment originally posted 02/20/07
phubert
08/03/07
Merged Comment originally posted 04/25/07
Yes, I'd like to see our Dell admin create sub-topics collecting such like suggestions... But, haven't we been saying that for awhile now???
einfeldt
08/03/07
Merged Idea originally posted 02/20/07
Thin client labs with remote support

I am a volunteer supporting a Linux thin client lab in a school in San Francisco. I believe that there is a business model for Dell in providing commodity hardware at a very cheap price and then charging monthly maintenance fees which would be administered remotely. I know that I personally would offer free marketing and promotion for such a system, as I am an open source evangelist who donates time to promoting Linux and open source in schools.

I can tell you that we have paid for such a thin client lab in San Francisco, but the school has bought into the monthly support angle just yet, probably because the company who provided it charged too much for the support (I can't say the price because that would kind of be rude to publish this guy's price sheet here in this public space).

Part of Dell's agreement for the support would be that the customers who have to bring problem machines to a designated center in each city, where the vanilla, commodity, re-used hardware would simply be parted out or trouble shooted by a volunteer. These centers would essentially be an organization like FreeGeek.org, in Portland, which provides hardware to volunteers. Dell could get a tax write-off for supporting FreeGeek.org, and FreeGeek.org would do the costly work of organizing the volunteers, train the volunteers, etc. So that would get around the problem of triaging and swapping out the hardware.

Each school would be responsible for providing its own on-site level one tech support person. That person would do the grunt work of hard re-boots, checking the wiring, and similar stuff. Dell would be paid to send out an initial team to set up the lab; Dell would get a monthly maintenance support fee for supporting that on-site level one tech support worker; and Dell would also provide x number of hours of remote trouble shooting via tunneling to the local site. Dell could supplement this service by supporting a wiki or a forum and offering that service to local LUGs in terms of free hosting for such sites. See below for more partnership ideas with LUGs.

Dell would get low-cost promotion by contacting local Linux user groups and informing those groups of Dell's LTSP services. This would dramatically reduce Dell's sales costs.

Dell could also source the initial install fee to local Linux user groups (LUGs) who would assign jobs on a rotational basis, or the LUGs would provide Dell with a list of names of people who wanted to supplement their income by doing the initial installs. Dell could maintain a rotation list, and it could allow members of the LUG to vote people off of the list if they did shoddy work. As a benefit to the LUG, Dell could hold annual trainings for free. The trainings would targeted to members of schools and churches, which would increase attendence in the local LUGs.

Dell could also offer a supported Debian pool, such as Linspire's marvelous CNR (Click N Run) service. As updates happen, Dell could just push the updates downstream to subscribers of the update and maintenance service.

To summarize, Dell would monetize Linux and open source software by
1) selling vanilla commodity hardware through local Linux User Groups (LUGS);
2) contracting out LTSP installs of that vanilla commodity hardware through FreeGeek.org type of institutions
3) requiring customers to sign up for remote tunneling maintenance and support tickets, augmented by
4) paid support incidents that were beyond the skills of the local LUG members.
5) requiring customers to patronize local FreeGeek.org institutions which Dell would partially fund by returning troubled hardware there for a cheap exchange of hardware (we're talking a couple of dollars).

In true Dell fashion, Dell would mostly be buidling the infrastructure to aggregate players, and Dell would not be sinking lots of money into real world infrastructure.

Christian Einfeldt
Producer, The Digital Tipping Point
aravindas
08/03/07
Merged Idea originally posted 02/22/07
Thin PC

These days, most of the home computers are used for
1. Browsing the internet
2. Office applications
3. E-mail
4. Instant Messenger
5. VOIP (Up to some extent)

Bring a new product, what I call thin PC with no hard drive; lot of RAM and with an embedded micro OS and a web browser. Provide plenty of USB ports for future expansion. (Like adding a Hard Disk, Optical Drive etc..)

With web application like Google Apps around, this will suffice most of day-to-day requirements.

Advantages of this approach are
1. Instant boot
2. No software upgrades required
3. Less expensive
4. No virus attacks

This can attract lots of customers in developing world.
jc2it
08/03/07
Merged Idea originally posted 02/23/07
Thin clients

Develop and market a total thin client system (from thin client to server) that uses standard hardware, and allows the IT department to purchase the just components of the system or the whole package deal. This should be capable of running Linux Desktop and X or MS Windows based terminal services.

This will help prevent migration from Dell desktop products to competitors like Neoware, and Wyse.

For education organizations supporting projects such as K12LTSP http://www.k12ltsp.org/ would benefit the bottom line for the schools and Dell. A Win-Win proposition.

For businesses and healthcare greater security and lower cost of future upgrades is a great benefit.
petrocelli
08/03/07
Merged Idea originally posted 03/01/07
THIN CLIENTS & VIRTUAL DESKTOPS

Dell should manufacture thin clients like Wyse & Neoware. Virtual desktop infrastructure or hosted desktop environments could reduce desktop sales in the business market. Manufacturing *LINUX* based thin clients that integrate well with connection brokers for virtual desktop (Leostream, Citrix, etc) could help make up for losses seen in the desktop realm. Dell could even get a bit more involved and produce their own free open source connection broker that works exceptionally well with their thin client and equally well with other manufactures thin clients. The broker should integrate well with VMware and XenSource virtualzation software. (If done, Dell should not brand the software with the Dell name. Establish a new community based software divison with a different name. Using the Dell name on the software would probably cause people to stay away from it if they werent using dell hardware. This is not what you want. This software could attract current HP thin client users to Dell. Access the resourse of the open source community when developing this software. Development cost should be minimal).
anderscs16
08/03/07
Merged Idea originally posted 03/13/07
Dell Thin Client Terminal

Since Microsoft improved Terminal Services it has become cheaper for Small Businesses who need more then five systems to implement a Terminal Services solution rather then the standard thick client network. Dell should manufacturer a thin client terminal, it could run Linux, CE, or Windows XP Embedded. It would also be great for Small Businesses that run web applications.
phubert
08/03/07
Merged Comment originally posted 03/13/07
Linux does thin clients very well... and there are NO licensing considerations!
mehl
08/03/07
Merged Idea originally posted 05/03/07
ThinClient

What about a ThinClient from DELL?
dell_admin10
08/03/07
@ cosh Thanks for the merge assistance! Could I delete your Similar Idea boxes?
cosh
08/03/07
Please do, no need to ask. Just do as you need to tidy it up.
sims2789
11/13/07
A company called Everex makes computers for $199 with the following specs:

1.5 GHz Via processor (but only with 128 kB L2 cache)
512 MB DDR 2 RAM
gOS (a stripped-down Ubuntu with Google products)
80 GB hard drive
CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo drive
Speakers
Keyboard
Mouse
No monitor

The Vista Basic version has 1 GB RAM but costs $99 more.

Dell could probably make something like this, add a little L2 cache, and capture the super-low-end/terminal market. That market isn't really "captured" yet (like how Microsoft put computers on desks that didn't have them before instead of converting Mac users) so it would be a good place for Dell to expand into with Linux. This would also lower their licensing costs significantly.
 
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