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4471 points posted to Operating Systems by pwalker 01/30/07

There was an interesting op-ed by Doug Mohney in The Inquirer yesterday, which suggested that the launch of Vista provides a good opportunity for Apple - if it licences OS X to Dell.

However, Vista is being beaten like a dead horse by the mass media – most of them already are enthralled to the God of Jobs if you read between the lines, so Microsoft could make nuclear fusion work tomorrow and they’d give it a lukewarm review at best. The consensus view out of the babbling punditry is “Don’t buy Vista today, unless you have to buy a new computer tomorrow.”

On that front, I think the babbling pundits are right. Heh.

So what about Apple?

If Apple was serious, and I mean really serious, about gaining more PC market share, they’d realize they need to license/sell their operating system to another hardware manufacturer or two. Sure, Apple’s tried the license route before with mixed results, but it’s about time to bite the bullet, look into the mirror, and realize they should try something bold.

Apple should license their operating system to Dell.

Mohney isn’t suggesting that Apple should make OS X available to any PC user; the dangers of that (such as hardware incompatibilities or really crap machines ruining Apple’s reputation) have been talked to death for years. Rather, he’s suggesting that Apple could team up with a single PC manufacturing firm to make decent clones, expanding OS X’s market share without diluting the core Apple brand. It wouldn’t be an Apple Mac: it’d be a Dell Mac. Dell’s good at churning out PCs, so if Apple laid down strict criteria about what should and shouldn’t go into a clone you could get decent non-Apple Macs competing in different markets to Apple Macs. Does anyone really think Dell is capable of making something as sexy as a MacBook or as iconic as the iMac?

I’m sure Mohney will be inundated with angry emails, but I do wonder how many of the senders will have reacted similarly to suggestions a few years back that Macs should run Intel chips. I think his idea’s fascinating.

pizzaman
02/16/07
Viva la revolution.

Given the choice of buying a Vista upgrade for $300 or OSX, my money is on OSX. Given the choice, i'd buy a Dell over a mac. I just like the idea of the parts availability of a Dell.

the folks that are buying macs today will continue to buy macs. It's not just the OS, but the design that they like about the apples. That won't change.
pdonket
02/16/07
Sure, i'll say an option could be made, disagree on with the vista bashing, because honestly almost every OS is a failure to some extent on launch, then after SP1 it rises rapidly.
i_own_dell
02/16/07
good option, the combination would definitely work. And as you asked. 1) Yes, dell is capable of making something as sexy as a macbook. 2) No, iconic as iMac, no way. Its only apple who can beat apple.
pdonket
02/16/07
Please, if you do design as apple, please please god do not raise your prices as they have.
pebear
02/17/07
All apple is doing is repackaging bsd os with a cool interface. Vista is a new interface for windows with .net 4 on it and directX 10 .... Dell could take an existing linux distro, evn partner with say Suse or Use Ubantu or whatever and put together the best GTK desktop (K or Gnome) Make Linux as easy as using the Mac, it's not that much harder than using windows, and keep all the profits to put back into R&D and keeping prices down.
rmartin
02/17/07
I believe that pebear is wrong in his statement that OSX is a repackaged bsd. The core may come from bsd but its MUCH more than a repackage. Mac OSX is very powerful, easy to use and stable.
garycobb
02/17/07
Except for my 23' Cinema screen and the IPOD/iTunes combo, Apple's OSx is lame and useless for home and mobile computer users, IMHO.
doomlord52
02/19/07
Again. Ipod, Apple and all other aple products are not Pc or Dell. They would be supporting the opponenet.
xstatyk
02/20/07
I agree that having a choice on which OS you would like on your sytem is a good one, whether its Mac, Linux, or Windows. Now that they support pc I think they have a better chance of advancing because at least for me having OSX run only on proprietary hardware just isn't for me.
rtbones
02/21/07
I'd like a choice in operating systems, and am tired of MIcrosoft telling me where I need to go. OS X would work well -- especially as it can now run Windows in a window with Parallels. I'm not bashing Microsoft -- as a gamer, thats my platform -- I'd just like a choice (and something other than Linux as an option.)
pizzaman
02/21/07
I disagree with Reg. Apple does indeed sell hardware, however selling their software on Dell's won't change the Apple customers who buy apply for their design ingenuity. Dell hardware is entirely different than apple aesthetically. Steve Jobs made the jump to Intel, is reluctanctly embracing bootcamp, so that the consumer can buy a mac and run either O/S, now if you could buy a "pc" and run either O/S, Jobs gets a larger market share, Dell continues selling inexpensive desktops and notebooks, and everyone profits!
ringerc
02/22/07
This strikes me as unlikely to happen. Apple were burned in the clone market before, and essentially OS licensing would bring them back into the same situation. They found that they couldn't compete as well as they wanted with their clone makers, they weren't making as much on the OS as they wanted, and they killed the whole deal off.

Personally I'd almost kill for the ability to run Mac OS X under VMWare / Xen / whatever, since I'm a software developer. I would be almost impossibly happy if Apple released a virtualisation-only Mac OS X build that'd run on any VT-x/Pacifica enabled machine as a _guest_ OS. Possibly (preferably?) without the bundled applications.

That's a very different matter, though, to general use licensing of Mac OS X. I'd be very surprised if that was possible from a business point of view. Apple already have a hard enough time dealing with partner retail/channel stores selling the same products they sell directly from their Internet store.
ctrl_alt_suppr
02/23/07
Apple's previous experiments with clones was done with the wrong partners (at this time clones makers were mainly known by mac users, that's why they took on Apple's marketshare). Now that they use intel's processors they could have the right partnership, that means companys widely known for selling computers to a large public.

I'm quite sure a lot of people don't bother which OS they have on their computer since they can use it easily. Go on Apple, free OS X!
coolest
02/24/07
Apple had a terrible experiment licensing its OS to second-rate hardware makers, the mistake should never be repeated.
sebastianlewis
02/24/07
I'm going to have to say no on this one. Apple is a hardware company first and foremost, and marketshare isn't the only thing that matters. Believe it or not Dell makes only about 40 million more then Apple, or around that, even though Apple doesn't follow the tactics of the Empire. So while people love to compare Apple to say, Microsoft, Dell and HP would be Apple's real competition. OS X is just a means to an end, sell more hardware. Personally I'm one of those Mac users who take it as an insult to use Boot Camp, but I realize some people would switch if they could but their jobs require Windows, so all I can say is that Boot Camp is just one more means to an end, but they keep the better OS as the primary and add an option for another.

Sebastian
PS: I might consider a Dell Desktop if they offered an option for some form of UNIX or Linux. I'm not that interested in running either in Parallels on my Macbook.
sebastianlewis
02/25/07
As a followup on my comment, I thought about it, and I still stand firmly that Apple won't license Mac OS X. It's the main selling point of all of their computers, and the real reason people buy it. Why take that away?

On another Note, Dell is in the handy position of offering their customers a choice on several different Operating Systems. But if people really want a top level OS that can compete with OS X and is Dell exclusive then you could just ask Dell to make their own.

Oh and I checked that 40 Million figure from my last post, apparently it was wrong.

Sebastian
eric.c
02/27/07
I do support the whole apple-dell thing but what would happen if os x became popular? wouldn't it be just as virus and spyware filled as any windows machines? sure, it can never, ever get as bad as windows, but it would certainly decrease the quality of the software
sgt.pepper.1967
03/02/07
It would be great, but it'll never happen; Apple will never shoot itself in the foot by doing this.
reg
03/02/07
Apple.
gschoep
03/06/07
Yes, Apple computers look better than Dells offerings for industrial design but this idea has merit for Dell. As long as Dell remains high in quality and service.
lindleyj
03/06/07
reg , you couldnt be 100% more wrong, trust me, dell will reclaim it's throne, michael dell won't let his great empire slip quietly into the night as gateway and e-machines did, in 2 years dell will be the most respected and largest PC company AGAIN. I bet my fortune on it :), just wait and watch
laurio
03/08/07
I think Dell has no need for Os X. Ubuntu or some other good Linux distro will do just fine. Design of macbook on the other hand is worth copying.
reg
03/08/07
Dell's Throne.
lindleyj
03/10/07
I love the dell purely you TV add's, i dont think they are for the cheap users by any means.
And dell is in the high end gaming market as a leader in my opinion, what can gateway, HP, e-machines, and sony offer against the xps 710 formula red, jet black, and of course my favorite, BLACK ICE edition high end gaming pc's? I use to build all my gaming systems, but to tell you the truth, i would rather buy a black ice from dell then build my own high end again. And dell does sell alot in low end markets to beginner pc makers, the average $400-800 pc buyer. According to the records, dell still holds the largest pc maker in amercia spot, just not the world which HP took just rescently. And i don't see how your expecting a 58 billion dollar a year company to go bankrupt in 2 years lol
reg
03/10/07
Dell Systems should be Macintosh OS X Ready.
lsc
03/13/07
I would buy a low-end dell workstation if it ran os-x. I would probably buy a low-end dell laptop if it ran OS-X. In fact, this is the only way you will see me buying a desktop dell. (right now all my boxes, including my desktop and my laptop run Linux, but I want to run some accounting software that only works on Windows and OS-X- you can bet I'm not going to trust Windows with my accounting data. And I really don't like Apple hardware.)
sebastianlewis
03/14/07
Reg, that isn't true. Any PC designed for Vista to begin with can't (legally) run Mac OS X to begin with.

Sebastian
sebastianlewis
03/14/07
I know exactly what you mean. I'm just telling the cold hard truth.
Fact 1) Apple does not License it
Fact 2) Therefore Apple's Computer Lineup are the only ones that are "Mac OS X Ready" because
Fact 3) Dictates that any Dell running Mac OS X is doing it illegally.

Sebastian
reg
03/19/07
http://www.osx86project.org/< you skilled enough to do it for yourself. Let me know how that works out for ya.
sebastianlewis
03/22/07
In other words, another Wiki talking about the Intel transition. How does this counter anything I said?

Sebastian
reg
03/22/07
cyko_01
04/05/07
the whole reason macs "just work" is because they integrate the hardware and software flawelessly! you'l never need to search for new drivers on the internet. There is a reason why you can's put OSX on just any computer!
reg
04/11/07


OS X is Mach + FreeBSD + the magic powder
All running on Standard PC hardware.
jervis961
04/24/07
Apple might have a bigger problem than Dell now.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/24/former-apple-cfo-publicly-blames-jobs-for-...
jervis961
04/24/07
I can see the next Apple commercial. Hi, I'm a PC and I'm a Mac. Police show up and start putting cuffs on Mac. PC "what's going on Mac". Mac "Oh I fudged some paperwork so I would have more money and now I'm going to jail".
jervis961
04/24/07
reg your name is on the direct2dell site now as part of the announcement for SSD being added to the Latitude line.
reg
04/25/07
'Oh, Thank you jervis961, and Thank You Direct2Dell, and the academy, and the guild of blogger-posters . . . '

:~)
scotty750
04/30/07
i would absolutely love to see apple license macOS to a major pc vendor. maybe microsoft would finally listen and learn what the consumer truly wants:
Small (both in term of disk space, ram and cpu usage)
Simple (easy to use)
Secure (stop carrying old code forward, try starting from scratch)
Stable (it should rarely crash, though XP did a pretty good job of this)
rotthund
05/01/07
Pointless. That just amounts to different manufacturers.
velegno
05/10/07
Yes, this is a good Idea, linux, OS X and all OS in a Dell.

http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/67196/Dell__Apple
dwood
11/16/07
I dont ever remember promoting this.. it just was....
newbs
11/22/07
was just going to post this! excellent idea! The only thing preventing me from getting a one of those marked down specials is that i really want those unix tools!

could install linux, but its not as pleasant to use as osx
dwood
11/24/07
Same post as above.
winoffice
12/19/07
Apple does not offer Windows on its computers. If Apple were to license their OS to Dell, then Apple would prohibit Dell from offering Windows. This means that Dell would not offer Windows, just like Apple. And that means that I could no longer get a Dell PC with Windows so DEMOTED.
winoffice
Jan 29
@pwalker - "most of them already are enthralled to the God of Jobs if you read between the lines"

I believe in only one God - namely the Christian God. Therefore I certainly do not believe in what you call the "God of Jobs" (I know that you are referring to Steve Jobs) so DEMOTED!!!!!!
jervis961
Jan 29
You Demoted a LONG, LONG time ago. Why bother coming back over and over to talk about it to yourself?
jervis961
Jan 29
Unless you are trying to gain the idea more attention.
zanlok
Feb 3
Here's my logo concept!

 
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