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MARKET linux PCs for real, and Open Office, for real

80 points posted to Advertising and Marketing, Linux by chopdoc May 7

I actually laughed when I read some Dell staffers' comments along the lines of "my research shows the customers want Windows".

Of course the research shows that, of course Dell isn't selling many Linux PCs. Probably the leading topic on Idea Storm has been Linux and Open Source. But that is because Dell attracts mostly "techies" here...not customers.

If you want to sell something, you need to advertise and market it. Microsoft has had a decades long campaign to get into the position they are in. The common consumer thinks Microsoft IS their computer.

Dell has moved forward, but not much, and they have limited and burried the Open Source option and resisted every step of the way. That is a fact, regardless of the lip service Dell gives here.

Open Source, particularly Linux distros can SAVE the customers money. I've crunched the numbers myself, I've calculated the TCO. Stability, reliability, cost.....how and why can Dell continue to avoid the reality of these issues by saying "our research indicates the customers want Windows"?

Give Open Source the marketing exposure it deserves and that the customer deserves. Dell made their name building custom ordered computers. They were known as "the best" in many regards. Then they lost their way. I was optimistic when Mr. Dell returned, but apparently he lost his way as well.

Market the Open Source options for what they really are and do it across the product line. Tell the customers what it really is and don't make it seem like some sort of off-beat secondary option...it simply isn't that anymore unless you continue to make it that.

Check your reaserch, your customers want value....lower prices....reliability..... The answer to that is Linux no matter how you slice it. So SELL it....for real.

Dell could really make a name for themselves again.

kelly_h
May 7
I'm happy to hear the my comments provided some amusement to you. As far as I know - I am currently the only staff member in marketing pushing for Linux placement. Ever heard of David and Goliath? It's quite simple - no executive will replace the prominent placement of a Windows box that will sell 5000 units with a Linux one that will sell 10. If Linux wants better placement on Dell.com - they're going to need to work towards it with Dell as well. I've done the research - over and over and over again for the past 8 months. Customers want something they're familiar with and comfortable with (see XP vs. Vista) - I can tell them up one side and down the other that they'll adjust to Linux and learn to love it - if they don't believe it or don't want to try it - we can't make them.
jervis961
May 7
Well said kelly_h. As much as it may sell a few more units for Linux it doesn't make good business sense at this point.
chopdoc
May 7
Actually, I disagree. It absolutely can make good business sense. Replace a Windows box with a Linux box? That demoinstrates that you do not understand what I have said. It isn't a replacement., they are the same PCs (or should be), it's an option. Apple is gaining market share, and they don't run Windows and are unfamiliar to many.

Yes, it is a David and Goliath match. But it was once that for Dell. Dell once had talent for such challenges, and resoundingly won them.

Yes, customers also want something familiar, but you can't boil it down to that one point. The fact is that the more it is offered, the more people will become familiar with it. My daughter's school runs Linux boxes right next to Wintel machines and Macs. Other schools are too.

Even MS is opening more of its code, and more will come. The fact is that Dell can lead the way on this, or they can follow. There is no in between.

I appreciate that you advocate Linux. I do. I understand your position on the matter. I hope that you can come to understand mine.

It isn't about replacing any product, it's about offering more with what is already available. Dell still does address it as a separate product line though. It's also about simply giving the marketing a fair shake. It would be a simple matter for Dell to list Linux right next to "genuine Windows" on the front of a product page.

It's all about market share, and Dell needs some back. Look at Apple. They are gaining market share steadily, and they run their own OS, and that OS is not familiar to Windows users. There is absolutely market share to be gained for non-windows PCs for those willing to do a little marketing.

Again, I understand your position, I don't deny the difficulty of the proposition. I meant no insult, but it really did make me laugh out loud. I sincerely believe that Dell is missing the point on this and missing a great opportunity to build market share.
jmxz
May 7
@kelly_h:
Thanks for the good explanation!

It'll be interesting to see down the road where (if anywhere) customer demand for Linux will be found. Perhaps when people see that they can save money for the equivalent hardware (or get more hardware for the same dollar)? Perhaps when higher-end systems show up on dell.com/open (It's nice to see the XPS M1330's there now, but I already got a Ubuntu Dell laptop (E1505N) - but I'm still looking for a quad-core desktop)? Perhaps on ultra portables like the Asus EEEpc.
jmxz
May 7
AAARGH - I think it's pretty darn obvious why there's little demand for Ubuntu Dell's.

Pricing out the exact same XPS M1330 - Core2Duo T7250, LED Display, 4GB Ram, NVidia 8400M Graphics, 56Whr Battery, I see

Ubuntu....................................$1,728
Windows Vista Premium............$1,499

I might be the biggest Ubuntu-Dell fanatic here, but for $230 I can install Ubuntu myself.
joyscant1980
May 7
@jmz, I just configured that same M1330 and the Ubuntu is $50 cheaper
jmxz
May 8
Wow - cool. I almost see that; but need a smaller (160GB vs 320GB) hard drive to make the Ubuntu one cheaper ($1478 vs $1499).

Either thanks for (almost) fixing it; or sorry I messed up when I tried to price it earlier. (interestingly, today the memory upgrade on the Ubuntu XPS from 1GB to 2GB is now $0; as is the hard drive upgrade from 12GB to 160GB. IIRC these were higher yesterday, though I could be mistaken).
joyscant1980
May 8
Tuxedo Black
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2MB Cache/2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition
Slim and Light LED Display with VGA Webcam
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
200GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) Free Fall Sensor
CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW Drive)
128MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8400M GS
Dell Wireless 1395 802.11g Mini Card
56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
High Definition Audio 2.0
Biometric Fingerprint Reader
$1,778

Tuxedo Black
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7250 (2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB, 2MB Cache)
Ubuntu Linux version 7.10 with DVD Playback
Slim and Light White LED Display with VGA Webcam
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
200GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)
CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW Drive)
128MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8400M GS
Intel® 3945 802.11a/g Mini-card
56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
High Definition Audio 2.0
$1,728
paperpilot
May 8
@joyscant1980 I can see that the Biometric Fingerprint Reader costs $50.

@all Apple mounted a huge advertising campaign comparing their computers to Windows PCs. Nobody, not even DELL, is going to put that much resource into a Linux campaign. Like it or not, Linux has to be sold by word of mouth. Still it is hard to convince a friend the DELL Linux machine is cheaper, given the way DELL markets them. It would be easier for me to recommend Linux if all DELL PCs had a Linux option which took $50 off the price.

Making Linux an option on ALL DELL PCs has been suggested time and time again and it has always been ignored. If kelly_h could make just one change to promote Linux on DELL PCs, that would be it.
jmxz
May 8
@joyscant:
LOLZ! But with the hard drive at 320GB the price on the Windows box drops to $1499.
aysiu
May 8
So the argument here to a business out to make money from customers is that pushing Linux will help the customer with a lower total cost of ownership? A lower TCO means less business for Dell. OEMs thrive on perceived obsolescence. If people can keep their computers for five or six years instead of two or three years, that means they'll buy half as many computers as they otherwise would, which means less business for Dell.
paperpilot
May 8
DELL makes money selling computers. If Windows Vista requires a more powerful computer, DELL recommends Windows Vista. Intel tried labeling less powerful machines as "Vista Capable" and got sued for their effort.

Now DELL knows Ubuntu will run as well as Vista on less capable hardware, but they like Ubuntu to cost just $50 less than a Vista on the same model machine.

Are we paying for hardware or performance? All the world wonders.
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