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Dell should indicate how long it takes to charge a battery from 0% to 100%. By winoffice,  Oct 21, 2008

When I configure a notebook PC, when I get to the battery page, I get something like this.

6 cell, 29 WHr
9 cell, 56 WHr

Now that hardly gives me any information that is actually useful to me. I want Dell to indicate how long a 100% charge will last based on the notebook configuration (although that is covered already in another idea), but I also want Dell to indicate how long it takes to charge the battery FROM 0% TO 100%.
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  Tue Oct 21 21:22:10 GMT 2008
Comments: 11
Categories: Dell Web Site  Laptop Power  
Status:Acknowledged


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By elkar  Oct 21, 2008
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I don't see how Dell could provide anything more than a ballpark estimate. Lithium-Ion batteries are unpredictable at best. There are far too many factors that influence the charge/drain time.

By winoffice  Oct 21, 2008
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Well, an estimate is better than nothing whatsoever.

By winoffice  Oct 27, 2008
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By the way, I have noticed that this idea is the most popular! At the time of this writing, this is the top idea on the home page (first page in the popular ideas tab).

By geoffct  Oct 28, 2008
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Quick calculation for charge time with the computer off: battery watt hours/ charger wattage. So my old inspiron has a 72Wh battery and a 65W charger, it takes about 1hr5min.  But there is a limit to the charging speed, typically its around 30-45minutes, to prevent too much heat in the batteries.

When the system is running there are just too many variables to properly estimate a charge time, but a worst case can typically be measured.  Intel has this nice gadget for Google desktop: http://desktop.google.com/plugins/i/ppmonitor.html?hl=en  It reads the power going into and out of the battery, so drain the battery a bit, and then run your most intensive apps while it's recharging.  Divide the battery watt hours by this number and you'll get an approximate charge time.  On my old inspiron it was about 5-6hours to charge at full load and the 65W charger.  When I added a battery for the D-bay, I upgraded to a 130W charger, and brought my recharge time for a total of 130Wh of batteries, to about 1.5hours regardless of system load, allowing a near 50/50 split of battery usage vs. recharge time.

The best thing to do is upgrade the charger when you order if it's an option and you expect to play intesive gaming or calculations.  It should be a $10-30 upgrade vs. a $50-120 replacement later.

By JustinLong  Oct 28, 2008
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 Are you wanting to know how long a charge will last, or how long it will take to recharge? On my Inspiron 8600 when I put the mouse cursor over the battery icon next to the clock it tells me how long I have remaining.

By winoffice  Oct 28, 2008
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Preferably, both. But my idea here covers only the latter.

By sffrog  Oct 29, 2008
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Excellent idea, winoffice!  However, elkar's comment of 10/21/08 is completely accurate, although I agree with your response to elkar.  Best is geoffct's detailed comments yesterday, which provide a good way to do your own estimate.  His additional suggestions are also helpful.  Great input, geoffct!

Here's my "knee-jerk" reaction, which needs to be verified by someone more knowledgable than I about battery architecture/engineering:
  1. So far as I know, rechargable batteries do not recharge in a linear fashion (e.g., if it takes 1 hour to recharge from 0% to 100%, it usually takes less than 30 minutes to recharge to 50%).
  2. Therefore, I'd amend your idea to instead, or also, ask for an estimate of how long to charge from the current charge state to 100% and to 50%.
  3. I don't know how difficult it would be to program the necessary firmware to also take into account the current condition of the battery in relationship to its age and existing capacity (which is reduced with age, specific usage, and charge/recharge cycles).  There are practical limitations.
  4. To re-iterate elkar's point, no matter what estimate is given, it should be emphasized that it's only an estimate.


By disgruntled person  Oct 31, 2008
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Bumped down. This is an OS issue.
Ubuntu Linux on any notebook hardware can already give you a estimate of how long it takes to get to a complete charge.

Solution: Find a piece of poorly written Windows compatible software to bloat your system even further to track charging, swap with a known good OS, or pay the kid next door to write something quick and dirty to give you your answer.

By bluetruth  Nov 3, 2008
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 Bumped up.  This is not an OS issue, rather a hardware issue.
Although Ubuntu can provide an estimate to a complete charge, it does not do so before receiving the PC.

What WinOffice is proposing is that the Dell page tell consumers how long the batteries will last before purchasing.  This would allow people to buy the battery that best suits their needs.  I personally need a long lasting battery, and based on my configuration I would've liked to have known how long the battery was going to last prior to purchasing.  CNet does a very good job at providing mostly accurate estimations on their website when reviewing products.  

It turns out that a 9-Cell in the Dell XPS RED (m1530) will last about 4 1/2 hours (on-going five depending on usage).  I would've liked to have known what the 6-Cell generally lasts prior to making my selection.  The downside is it's simply an estimation.  I've had my battery last everywhere from only 3 hours 45 minutes up to 5 hours 30 minutes, and even in that broad range it has a better working time than my first laptop and UMPC.

By green32  Nov 6, 2008
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I really like this idea.  I'd like to know how long it takes to charge before I buy it, but even more, I'd like to know how long a charge lasts.  I know this will differ a lot depending on system configuration, so maybe Dell could give an estimate for the particular battery running an otherwise basic configuration of the system.  That way, we could compare between different systems and different batteries.

By misterbk  Nov 23, 2008
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This idea is impossible.

How long your battery lasts depends on ALL KINDS of stuff.  Examples?  How long your battery lasts depends on:

* What power profile you set
* Whether Vista Aero is enabled
* What programs you are running
* Whether those programs use 3D hardware support or not
* For many apps that do use 3D hardware, it depends how fast you are working
* What hard drive you chose in the config
* What video card you chose in the config
* What brightness your backlight is set to
* Whether your wifi is enabled
* Whether you are connected to wifi
* Whether you are transferring anything over wifi
* Whether your hard drive is being consistently accessed, or idling
* How long it has been since the battery was manufactured
* The temperature of the battery on average
* How long you have had the laptop
* Whether the battery typically stays charged, on the table, or frequently gets discharged and then charged back up.

I'm going to stop there but that isn't even an all-inclusive list.  Don't you think that if a laptop's battery life could be measured in minutes, companies would use it as a selling point and plaster it all over their models?

Besides, to go full circle here, by providing the WHr rating of the battery they are giving you the single most accurate figure for battery life that exists.  56 WHr is a scientific measurement of power storage within the battery.


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